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Trans Youth Speaks Out As Alabama Debates Banning Medical Treatment - GMDino - 03-28-2021 https://www.npr.org/2021/03/28/981225604/its-hurtful-trans-youth-speaks-out-as-alabama-debates-banning-medical-treatment?fbclid=IwAR3mMJ4AJHu4ymfVT_Lo3KxkSM1s-WLGO60wyJX1OXA34D1BzeS8-vH8AGE Quote:Syrus Hall, a 17-year-old from Mobile, Ala., has heard it all before: "You'll grow out of it." "It's a phase." "You're just confused." RE: Trans Youth Speaks Out As Alabama Debates Banning Medical Treatment - Wes Mantooth - 03-28-2021 "He's more himself," Saunée says. "He's happy. You know, he's like a big kid. He'll still sit on my lap and cuddle up with me, and those are things he wasn't doing before." Sounds like this young man has a lot of growing up to do, and might not be as emotionally as well off as the article suggests. A 17 year old boy sitting in his mother's lap and cuddling is incredibly strange behavior. RE: Trans Youth Speaks Out As Alabama Debates Banning Medical Treatment - GMDino - 03-28-2021 (03-28-2021, 06:02 PM)Wes Mantooth Wrote: "He's more himself," Saunée says. "He's happy. You know, he's like a big kid. He'll still sit on my lap and cuddle up with me, and those are things he wasn't doing before." Maybe, maybe not. Her point was that he was happy. RE: Trans Youth Speaks Out As Alabama Debates Banning Medical Treatment - fredtoast - 03-29-2021 I thought conservative Republicans were all about "freedom"? Now they are passing laws to tell parents how to raise their children and what types of medical treatment will be available. Seems they only want people to be "free" to live how they are told to live. RE: Trans Youth Speaks Out As Alabama Debates Banning Medical Treatment - Sociopathicsteelerfan - 03-29-2021 At some point we're going to have to be consistent about what it means to be an "adult". If an under 18 year old can make unalterable life decisions before they are 18, then surely we should lower the age of criminal responsibility to whatever age you can do the former? After all, if you're responsible enough to make one life changing decision the you're surely that would apply to other area of responsibility? All that being said, I do understand that allowing youth to transition before the onset of the undesired sex's primary and secondary characteristics increases their chance at happiness and a lower suicide rate. I also worry that we're allowing youth to make major, life long, decisions before they are mature enough to do so. I also have concerns that some children are identifying as transgender as a "trend" or just to be different. Adolescence is a difficult time, and children are easily influenced. Simply feeling "odd" or different" is more than norm than the exception, and it may not take much in many cases to prod (either culturally or by individuals) a minor into thinking they are transgender and this is the source of those feelings. https://www.wsj.com/articles/peer-pressure-and-transgender-teens-1536524718 In essence, I see both sides of the argument. At the end of the day it should be the decision of the parents, and the parents alone. What I'd be concerned about is children being removed from the home because the parents don't allow transition hormones., i.e. that it would be identified as child abuse. It's a topic fraught with long term consequences, no matter which side of the question you fall on. RE: Trans Youth Speaks Out As Alabama Debates Banning Medical Treatment - fredtoast - 03-29-2021 (03-29-2021, 11:20 AM)Sociopathicsteelerfan Wrote: At some point we're going to have to be consistent about what it means to be an "adult". If an under 18 year old can make unalterable life decisions before they are 18, then surely we should lower the age of criminal responsibility to whatever age you can do the former? After all, if you're responsible enough to make one life changing decision the you're surely that would apply to other area of responsibility? Fail. The children can not get any prescriptions or medical procedures without the parents consent. So this law is about controlling the decisions of the parents, not the children. RE: Trans Youth Speaks Out As Alabama Debates Banning Medical Treatment - GMDino - 03-29-2021 (03-29-2021, 01:45 PM)fredtoast Wrote: Fail. I was having this same discussion of FB and it appears that many medical decisions in AL can be made at 14 without parental consent. https://www.alabamapublichealth.gov/familyplanning/assets/FINAL.MinorConsent%20compact.4.2019.pdf?fbclid=IwAR00-zFpxMFPtZ22xn2y8IpUkvfr3ONyNQwrf2rYrSv4G8ROIb-q76wyuAU https://statelaws.findlaw.com/alabama-law/alabama-legal-ages-laws.html?fbclid=IwAR3V132g7rnTUTAaSsBonGwEvQy6RkAW47JXAJgZcLICFSCpiWw_pbSs0tE Sexual consent is still 16 thought. https://www.criminaldefenselawyer.com/resources/alabama-statutory-rape-laws.htm?fbclid=IwAR27eRyAZcNT2vnS324AD73HGSc0Dhl69T27kKrxVmxb0Lvppk4ZkJLZBAc RE: Trans Youth Speaks Out As Alabama Debates Banning Medical Treatment - Mickeypoo - 03-29-2021 (03-29-2021, 01:45 PM)fredtoast Wrote: Fail. Maybe not a bad idea to save forever life changing alterations until at least 25? Maybe the law helps save kids from crazy "woke" parents who want to show how "woke" they are. https://www.urmc.rochester.edu/encyclopedia/content.aspx?ContentTypeID=1&ContentID=3051 RE: Trans Youth Speaks Out As Alabama Debates Banning Medical Treatment - fredtoast - 03-29-2021 (03-29-2021, 02:00 PM)Mickeypoo Wrote: Maybe not a bad idea to save forever life changing alterations until at least 25? Maybe the law helps save kids from crazy "woke" parents who want to show how "woke" they are. Maybe people who really believe in "freedom" believe it is not the governments job to tell parents how to raise their children and what decisions to make about their private lives. RE: Trans Youth Speaks Out As Alabama Debates Banning Medical Treatment - Mickeypoo - 03-29-2021 (03-29-2021, 02:05 PM)fredtoast Wrote: Maybe people who really believe in "freedom" believe it is not the governments job to tell parents how to raise their children and what decisions to make about their private lives. I'm not saying it is the Governments job to tell parents how to raise their kids. Just pointing out what the law might be trying to accomplish and some science behind it. You like science, right? RE: Trans Youth Speaks Out As Alabama Debates Banning Medical Treatment - Beaker - 03-29-2021 As someone who deals with middle schoolers every day, I can say I am a little hesitant to let them make decisions that permanently affect their future based on their feelings at ages 13-17. Their sense of self changes radically in that time period, and usually through several permutations. I have seen on more than one occasion, kids who claim to be gay, bi, trans, etc in 8th grade, have a totally different view of what they really are at graduation. Thats why its called "finding yourself". Most usually really don't know their true selves until at least their 20s. Yet their feelings are so strong during their teens that they are convinced whatever they are feeling at the moment is what they want to be their entire lives. I am fine with a person becoming whatever their true authentic self is. It is crucial to a happy life. But I also am pretty sure that to find that takes time. I think people need to take that time. The government shouldnt mandate parenting. But parents should also be smart enough to tell their children that if they still feel the same way a few years from now, I will fully support you exploring your options to become the best you to live a happy life. RE: Trans Youth Speaks Out As Alabama Debates Banning Medical Treatment - GMDino - 03-29-2021 (03-29-2021, 02:28 PM)Beaker Wrote: As someone who deals with middle schoolers every day, I can say I am a little hesitant to let them make decisions that permanently affect their future based on their feelings at ages 13-17. Their sense of self changes radically in that time period, and usually through several permutations. I have seen on more than one occasion, kids who claim to be gay, bi, trans, etc in 8th grade, have a totally different view of what they really are at graduation. Thats why its called "finding yourself". Most usually really don't know their true selves until at least their 20s. Yet their feelings are so strong during their teens that they are convinced whatever they are feeling at the moment is what they want to be their entire lives. One thing about this particular story is the amount of counseling he went through. Although one friend on FB said he doesn't trust them either because: Quote:I doubt guidance will be good. It's naive to think a clinic that deals with trans youth will steer them away from being trans. Even if you believe they would walk away from the money or if they felt it appropriate course to deny them, can you imagine the media **** storm if they found out they denied someone gender transition? Would be the next victim for the media and trans lobby to exploit. RE: Trans Youth Speaks Out As Alabama Debates Banning Medical Treatment - Sociopathicsteelerfan - 03-29-2021 (03-29-2021, 01:56 PM)GMDino Wrote: I was having this same discussion of FB and it appears that many medical decisions in AL can be made at 14 without parental consent. Nothing better than a pompous Fred self own. RE: Trans Youth Speaks Out As Alabama Debates Banning Medical Treatment - Sociopathicsteelerfan - 03-29-2021 (03-29-2021, 02:28 PM)Beaker Wrote: As someone who deals with middle schoolers every day, I can say I am a little hesitant to let them make decisions that permanently affect their future based on their feelings at ages 13-17. Their sense of self changes radically in that time period, and usually through several permutations. I have seen on more than one occasion, kids who claim to be gay, bi, trans, etc in 8th grade, have a totally different view of what they really are at graduation. Thats why its called "finding yourself". Most usually really don't know their true selves until at least their 20s. Yet their feelings are so strong during their teens that they are convinced whatever they are feeling at the moment is what they want to be their entire lives. A nuanced and well worded response. I've worked with juveniles the vast majority of the my adult life and I completely concur. RE: Trans Youth Speaks Out As Alabama Debates Banning Medical Treatment - fredtoast - 03-29-2021 (03-29-2021, 01:56 PM)GMDino Wrote: I was having this same discussion of FB and it appears that many medical decisions in AL can be made at 14 without parental consent. Well the State lawmakers sound pretty stupid saying a 14 year old is mature enough to consent to any medical procedure, but then carving out one specific exception based on their own personal political/religious position. RE: Trans Youth Speaks Out As Alabama Debates Banning Medical Treatment - fredtoast - 03-29-2021 (03-29-2021, 03:15 PM)Sociopathicsteelerfan Wrote: Nothing better than a pompous Fred self own. Nothing better than more confirmation that I live in your head. Ignore? Yeah, right. You're just can't handle the heat. RE: Trans Youth Speaks Out As Alabama Debates Banning Medical Treatment - GMDino - 03-29-2021 (03-29-2021, 04:39 PM)fredtoast Wrote: Well the State lawmakers sound pretty stupid saying a 14 year old is mature enough to consent to any medical procedure, but then carving out one specific exception based on their own personal political/religious position. I agree. One of the arguments being made to me yesterday was the kid wasn't old enough to by cigarettes legally and I was like "so what" the state lets him do lots at a much younger age. And I'm not sure 17 is old enough either, but it's not my call or that of the state. RE: Trans Youth Speaks Out As Alabama Debates Banning Medical Treatment - BmorePat87 - 03-29-2021 Republicans are going all in on transphobia being their new border wall for 2024. Obviously they don't actually care about trans kids, they see them as subhuman. The rhetoric they spew will only encourage more stigmatization and discrimination of these kids, causing more violence against them and self harm, accomplishing the opposite of the name of the bill but achieving their personal goal of doing more harm to trans people. RE: Trans Youth Speaks Out As Alabama Debates Banning Medical Treatment - Sociopathicsteelerfan - 03-29-2021 (03-29-2021, 10:46 PM)BmorePat87 Wrote: Republicans are going all in on transphobia being their new border wall for 2024. Obviously they don't actually care about trans kids, they see them as subhuman. The rhetoric they spew will only encourage more stigmatization and discrimination of these kids, causing more violence against them and self harm, accomplishing the opposite of the name of the bill but achieving their personal goal of doing more harm to trans people. There's been some very rational and informed posts about this subject in this thread that don't quite fit this narrative. I'm honestly disappointed that you chose to ignore them completely and go with this highly partisan take on this subject. Not that you care, but still. RE: Trans Youth Speaks Out As Alabama Debates Banning Medical Treatment - Sociopathicsteelerfan - 03-29-2021 (03-29-2021, 04:45 PM)GMDino Wrote: And I'm not sure 17 is old enough either, but it's not my call or that of the state. Then who's effing call is it, genius? You kvetch a lot, but supply next to zero solutions. |