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Attempted bombing - GMDino - 08-20-2021 Another angry, right wing, white guy threatened to blow up a van in front of the Library of Congress. He live streamed on FB about how he was ready to die for his cause and (from what I read) all the typical conspiracy BS from DJT and his ilk. That video was taken down everywhere near as I can tell. He also allegedly (reported in multiple places) had posted a Don Jr video about the same as the last thing before his live -stream. Folks are in their ivory towers actively encouraging stupid people to "fight" for them. But despite all of that the right spins it as "we just don't know enough..."
Or worse: Defend them. https://www.salon.com/2021/08/19/rep-mo-brooks-says-he-understands-man-who-allegedly-threatened-to-bomb-library-of-congress/ Quote:Rep. Mo Brooks says he "understands" man who allegedly threatened to bomb library of Congress I know, I know..."Antifa" and "BLM", amiright?!?! Some folks (and their ilk) want to actively deny the right wing terrorism problem we have in the US and how it is increasing though. RE: Attempted bombing - Au165 - 08-20-2021 Domestic Terrorist* …fixed it for you. RE: Attempted bombing - GMDino - 08-20-2021 (08-20-2021, 09:32 AM)Au165 Wrote: Domestic Terrorist* …fixed it for you. Aye. But I imagine this thread will turn into a debate over the *exact* description of such while ignoring what happened and continues to happen. RE: Attempted bombing - Matt_Crimson - 08-20-2021 Well to be honest I'm not sure this should be called an "attempted bombing". Not saying threatening to blow up the capital is okay, but this story is definitely falling victim to embellishment rather than facts. RE: Attempted bombing - Au165 - 08-20-2021 (08-20-2021, 09:36 AM)Matt_Crimson Wrote: Well to be honest I'm not sure this should be called an "attempted bombing". Not saying threatening to blow up the capital is okay, but this story is definitely falling victim to embellishment rather than facts. I can go with that, "the domestic terrorist threatened to bomb the capital" is probably more accurate. It is similar to how Al Qaeda often threatened to do more than they did, terrorism is as much about creating fear as it is doing physical harm. RE: Attempted bombing - GMDino - 08-20-2021 (08-20-2021, 09:36 AM)Matt_Crimson Wrote: Well to be honest I'm not sure this should be called an "attempted bombing". Not saying threatening to blow up the capital is okay, but this story is definitely falling victim to embellishment rather than facts. (08-20-2021, 09:50 AM)Au165 Wrote: I can go with that, "the domestic terrorist threatened to bomb the capital" is probably more accurate. It is similar to how Al Qaeda often threatened to do more than they did, terrorism is as much about creating fear as it is doing physical harm. Fair enough. He didn't actually try to set the bomb off and fail he just threatened to set the bomb off. Now let's talk about WHY he threatened to set a bomb off. RE: Attempted bombing - Matt_Crimson - 08-20-2021 (08-20-2021, 09:50 AM)Au165 Wrote: I can go with that, "the domestic terrorist threatened to bomb the capital" is probably more accurate. It is similar to how Al Qaeda often threatened to do more than they did, terrorism is as much about creating fear as it is doing physical harm. Oh certainly. But doesn't acting as if there was a bomb help promote that fear even further? If some guy said he's going to nuke New York but didn't actually have a nuke, but people acted like he did, they're only playing into the terroristic fear that someone was actually going to nuke New York. Someone having a nuke is a lot scarier of a headline than someone just threatening to have a nuke. (08-20-2021, 10:18 AM)GMDino Wrote: Fair enough. He didn't actually try to set the bomb off and fail he just threatened to set the bomb off. That's my point though. He didn't have a bomb. People are acting like he did. RE: Attempted bombing - Au165 - 08-20-2021 (08-20-2021, 10:52 AM)Matt_Crimson Wrote: Oh certainly. The thread title misclassified it, which I corrected for him in my reply to you "Domestic terrorist threatens to bomb capital", but everything I have read says threatened not attempted. I even went over to CNN and the headline is suspect claimed to have a bomb. Not sure all that many people are acting like he attempted to, although during the event it would be perfectly acceptable to believe the guy in this environment. RE: Attempted bombing - GMDino - 08-20-2021 (08-20-2021, 10:52 AM)Matt_Crimson Wrote: Oh certainly. Probably should just let him go then. RE: Attempted bombing - Nately120 - 08-20-2021 This guy is like the terrorist version of the guys caught by Chris Hansen. He just said he was going to do something illegal, he didn't actually do it. Lighten up, justice system! There was no bomb, just like there was no teen girl who was suspociously into being sodomized by an old werido for some reason. Maybe it was all just roleplay? RE: Attempted bombing - Matt_Crimson - 08-20-2021 (08-20-2021, 11:08 AM)Au165 Wrote: The thread title misclassified it, which I corrected for him in my reply to you "Domestic terrorist threatens to bomb capital", but everything I have read says threatened not attempted. I even went over to CNN and the headline is suspect claimed to have a bomb. Not sure all that many people are acting like he attempted to, although during the event it would be perfectly acceptable to believe the guy in this environment. That wasn't my argument though. I said "people" which isn't just about news headlines. You just had to correct this thread title here on this message board, so clearly I'm not pulling this out of nowhere. A lot of people don't even read or watch CNN and get most of their news from social media, which I have seen people also mischaracterize it there before I saw this thread. (08-20-2021, 11:25 AM)GMDino Wrote: Probably should just let him go then. Or give him due process. RE: Attempted bombing - Matt_Crimson - 08-20-2021 (08-20-2021, 12:36 PM)Nately120 Wrote: This guy is like the terrorist version of the guys caught by Chris Hansen. He just said he was going to do something illegal, he didn't actually do it. Lighten up, justice system! Except there are actually teen girls in those instances. There was no bomb. RE: Attempted bombing - KillerGoose - 08-20-2021 (08-20-2021, 12:46 PM)Matt_Crimson Wrote: Except there are actually teen girls in those instances. There was no bomb. No, there’s not. They are adult actors impersonating teenagers. They didn't actually employ teens to do those shows. RE: Attempted bombing - GMDino - 08-20-2021 Man, was I wrong. I thought we'd get arguments about if he was a domestic terrorist and instead it is over the nuance of he didn't "attempt" to bomb the Library of Congress but rather he showed up in a van he said he had a bomb in and merely "threatened" to do it. Meanwhile the garbage that was fed to him from the right wing keeps pouring in to others who will do the same. RE: Attempted bombing - Au165 - 08-20-2021 (08-20-2021, 12:42 PM)Matt_Crimson Wrote: That wasn't my argument though. I used CNN as most view it as a pretty liberal news source for perspective. Social media is a tough one because how much of it is bots pushing it versus humans is tough. That said, what is your point? Was it not concerning that a domestic terrorist who has been radicalized by misinformation threatened to blow up the capital? This on the heels of other domestic terrorists storming said capital this very year, again because of outright lies? Your kind of arguing semantics when the real threat here isn’t sensationalism, it’s the lack of urgency to a very real and well documented threat to national security. I feel like most wouldn’t worry about sensationalizing the headline here if the guy was a self admitted member of Al Qaeda. The fear people have isn’t being artificially pushed based on “had a bomb didn’t have a bomb”, the fear is growing because the rapid radicalization of these people is only getting worse and it’s prompting them to do shit like this at all. RE: Attempted bombing - GMDino - 08-20-2021 (08-20-2021, 12:36 PM)Nately120 Wrote: This guy is like the terrorist version of the guys caught by Chris Hansen. He just said he was going to do something illegal, he didn't actually do it. Lighten up, justice system! If a man says he's going to rape your daughter, shows up at your door, drops his pants, grabs her and says it again...but he doesn't have an erection and you stop him I guess all he did was "threaten" her. So really it's his word against yours. And she didn't REALLY get raped so just get over it. RE: Attempted bombing - Nately120 - 08-20-2021 (08-20-2021, 12:46 PM)Matt_Crimson Wrote: Except there are actually teen girls in those instances. There was no bomb. No there aren't, there are dudes talking to adults pretending to be teen girls who want smelly perverted dudes to plow them in the arse. This is going to derail things, I just love talking about that show. The main connection is the defense that "Just because I expressed intent on the internet and showed up in person to where what I said I intended to do could have theoretically have been carried out doesn't mean I was going to do what I said I was going to do." RE: Attempted bombing - Nately120 - 08-20-2021 I'll admit I don't know this case inside and out yet, but there were times when Timothy McVeigh was near the building he eventually attacked WITHOUT the explosives he eventually used. We can't say what this guy was going to do, but he expressed a specific intent and was found scouting out the location he expressed intentions of attacking. With the McVeigh example, he had scouted out the building, found a place where he could park close to it, drew maps detailing escape routes and so on. Being there without a ready to detonate bomb still fits the terrorism checklist. If this guy is just full of crap he, like the guys on To Catch a Predator, made the mistake by showing up and that shows intent to carry things out. A lot of anti-terrorism is about observing and preventing. This guy was well on his way down the checklist. RE: Attempted bombing - BigPapaKain - 08-20-2021 You still go to jail for conspiracy, bucko. RE: Attempted bombing - Au165 - 08-20-2021 (08-20-2021, 02:28 PM)BigPapaKain Wrote: You still go to jail for conspiracy, bucko. Depending on if he had ever attempted to acquire anything needed to build said bomb the charges could end up all over the board. If he just rolled up and made the threat you're probably looking at making a terroristic threat and then other various low level charges. If he tried to actually plan and acquire things to make said bomb you are looking at conspiracy to obtain a weapon of mass destruction among other things. |