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Free crack pipes - HarleyDog - 02-09-2022 I don't understand this at all. Isn't crack illegal? Using tax dollars to enable addiction seems insane. https://www.msn.com/en-us/health/medical/why-the-biden-admin-is-handing-out-free-crack-pipes/ar-AATE0r8?li=BBnb7Kz Quote:The Biden administration will provide grant funding to pay for the distribution of safe smoking kits as part of efforts to reduce harm from substance abuse over the next three years. RE: Free crack pipes - SunsetBengal - 02-09-2022 Literally nobody: The Government: Please go back to smoking crack.. RE: Free crack pipes - NATI BENGALS - 02-09-2022 I thought this administration wasn’t going to do the nepotism thing. Sounds like a Hunter project? I just can’t get behind supplying dope fiends with the tools to use more dope. So they don’t get herpes sharing a crack pipe? Wtf RE: Free crack pipes - HarleyDog - 02-09-2022 (02-09-2022, 01:36 PM)NATI BENGALS Wrote: I thought this administration wasn’t going to do the nepotism thing. Sounds like a Hunter project? I can get behind more education and helping addicts rehab. Yet this is counterproductive. I don't think Hunter has anything to do with this but I'm sure people will relate the two. Also, the 2nd sentence of the article is offensive. Using this to advance racial equality is implying the majority of the crack addicts are minorities. Or at least that's the way some could take it. RE: Free crack pipes - CJD - 02-09-2022 Let's imagine a person. They have a desire to do crack. Do you think that person who wants to do crack will say "hey, I would love to do crack, but I don't have a proper crack pipe. I guess I won't do crack."? Or do you think that person is more likely to say "I would love to do crack, but I don't have a proper crack pipe. I guess I will do crack, but in a less safe manner."? Let's imagine a second person. They do not have a desire to do crack. Do you think that person who does not want to do crack will say "hey, I don't want to do crack, but I was given this perfectly useable and safe crack pipe...so I guess I'm doing crack now!"? Or do you think that person is more likely to say " I don't want to do crack, so the presence or absence of a proper crack pipe has no bearing on my desire to do crack."? I see this as a no harm, potential help scenario. If people are going to do crack, I'd rather they not die/get diseases from it and I think this is probably a step towards protecting those people. If someone isn't willing to rehabilitate, at least they can be given the resources not to further endanger themselves while engaging in drug use. I see it as the same basic tenet of ambulance drivers carrying Narcan. You could interpret that as a government endorsement of people ODing, or you could see it as an acknowledgement that people are going to OD, so it's better to have a way to save them than not have a way to save them. RE: Free crack pipes - CJD - 02-09-2022 (02-09-2022, 02:01 PM)HarleyDog Wrote: I can get behind more education and helping addicts rehab. Yet this is counterproductive. I don't think Hunter has anything to do with this but I'm sure people will relate the two. Also, the 2nd sentence of the article is offensive. Using this to advance racial equality is implying the majority of the crack addicts are minorities. Or at least that's the way some could take it. I don't think it's a matter of interpretation. Crack was used disproportionately by black people in the 70s and 80s and, while the divide isn't as clear cut today (likely because of the stigma of Crack in black neighborhoods due to what occurred in the 70s/80s), black people were definitely the target when Crack was first created. Crack was more prolific in black neighborhoods because black neighborhoods, especially at the beginning of the War on Drugs (Started by Nixon as an explicit means to punish black people and protestors), were disproportionately more poor than white neighborhoods. Crack is cheaper to make because it's essentially impure cocaine. And then, after crack was distributed throughout black neighborhoods, the penalty for possessing crack was made orders of magnitude greater than the penalty for possessing cocaine. There are conspiracy theories that government operatives literally pushed crack in black neighborhoods in order to jail them for it. I don't know if that has ever been substantiated but, given the War on Drugs explicitly targeting black people, I think that conspiracy theory is on the more "believable" side of the spectrum. RE: Free crack pipes - basballguy - 02-09-2022 (02-09-2022, 02:11 PM)Crazyjdawg Wrote: Let's imagine a person. They have a desire to do crack. The thing is, if the policy making was consistent, there would be less outrage over it. "We don't care what you do to your body, so you might as well do it safely"...but when it comes to Covid "Dude you gotta manage your body the way we see fit". RE: Free crack pipes - HarleyDog - 02-09-2022 (02-09-2022, 02:11 PM)Crazyjdawg Wrote: I see this as a no harm, potential help scenario. If people are going to do crack, I'd rather they not die/get diseases from it and I think this is probably a step towards protecting those people. Protect or enable or both? It's mismanagement of taxpayer money. RE: Free crack pipes - CJD - 02-09-2022 (02-09-2022, 02:43 PM)HarleyDog Wrote: Protect or enable or both? It's mismanagement of taxpayer money. If we're looking to lower the mismanagement of tax payer money, there are a lot of bigger fish to go after before this program. RE: Free crack pipes - XenoMorph - 02-09-2022 Wow... I really expected this to just be a picture of old car antenna... Im pretty sure thats why my Antenna was stolen... This administration can not end soon enough RE: Free crack pipes - CJD - 02-09-2022 (02-09-2022, 02:27 PM)basballguy Wrote: The thing is, if the policy making was consistent, there would be less outrage over it. I mean...you know this is a false equivalency, right? Or are you just trying to bait me into writing up a paragraph about how refusal to get a COVID vaccine is a public health issue more so than a personal choice issue? RE: Free crack pipes - basballguy - 02-09-2022 (02-09-2022, 02:47 PM)Crazyjdawg Wrote: I mean...you know this is a false equivalency, right? Or are you just trying to bait me into writing up a paragraph about how refusal to get a COVID vaccine is a public health issue more so than a personal choice issue? i can assure you, although not a "health" crisis, a homeless dude on crack (or a variety of other drugs) is a public safety crisis and it's the same thing. Mildly related...calling it a false equivalency made me giggle and think about Chiefs fans and their "false" loss. Quick Edit: The reason i bring up the homeless aspect of this is because homeless people are often the primary target of programs like these. RE: Free crack pipes - Millhouse - 02-09-2022 The optics of this dont look good by any means. Not to mention it addresses the drug problem in the U.S. about as much as handing out a few thousand masks to help stop the spread of Covid. Honestly though, I could care less. Our country for over 40 years now has waged a massive war on drugs and failed on all fronts. And in terms of funding this program with taxpayers money, pffft it's nothing one of the agencies can't make back by striking a deal with a cartel somewhere on a seizure while keeping a blind eye to the rest of it crossing over. RE: Free crack pipes - CJD - 02-09-2022 (02-09-2022, 02:50 PM)basballguy Wrote: i can assure you, although not a "health" crisis, a homeless dude on crack (or a variety of other drugs) is a public safety crisis and it's the same thing. Why do you believe that the crack pipe provided by the government increases the number of homeless dudes on crack? RE: Free crack pipes - basballguy - 02-09-2022 (02-09-2022, 02:58 PM)Crazyjdawg Wrote: Why do you believe that the crack pipe provided by the government increases the number of homeless dudes on crack? That's going to be the hill you die on for this argument? Whether or not it increases the number? You're smarter than that. RE: Free crack pipes - Sociopathicsteelerfan - 02-09-2022 Handing out needles to IV drug users makes sense as it absolutely helps prevent the spread of blood borne diseases. Handing out crack pipes? I'm not sure what the public health benefit of that could be. A crack pipe is literally just a glass tube. Sharing one is no more likely to spread disease than sharing a cigarette or a drink with someone. Granted, I wouldn't be eager to do either with a crack addict, but I have a feeling they aren't as picky as I am. RE: Free crack pipes - HarleyDog - 02-09-2022 (02-09-2022, 02:26 PM)Crazyjdawg Wrote: Crack was more prolific in black neighborhoods because black neighborhoods, especially at the beginning of the War on Drugs (Started by Nixon as an explicit means to punish black people and protestors), were disproportionately more poor than white neighborhoods. Crack is cheaper to make because it's essentially impure cocaine. And then, after crack was distributed throughout black neighborhoods, the penalty for possessing crack was made orders of magnitude greater than the penalty for possessing cocaine. There are conspiracy theories that government operatives literally pushed crack in black neighborhoods in order to jail them for it. Why is this any different? possession of a crack pipe is against the law. Therefore, the government is handling out illegal drug paraphernalia that will land some people behind bars. RE: Free crack pipes - CJD - 02-09-2022 (02-09-2022, 03:02 PM)basballguy Wrote: That's going to be the hill you die on for this argument? Whether or not it increases the number? You're smarter than that. I'm not dying on any hill, really. I personally don't think this program is a big deal. I think it has the potential to help some people and I am not convinced it would influence anyone who doesn't already want to do crack from doing crack. You were the one comparing it to vaccines. RE: Free crack pipes - CJD - 02-09-2022 (02-09-2022, 03:17 PM)HarleyDog Wrote: Why is this any different? possession of a crack pipe is against the law. Therefore, the government is handling out illegal drug paraphernalia that will land some people behind bars. So are you conceding that it isn't offensive that this is referenced as a form of racial justice? Or are you just changing the subject unintentionally? RE: Free crack pipes - CJD - 02-09-2022 (02-09-2022, 03:17 PM)Sociopathicsteelerfan Wrote: Handing out needles to IV drug users makes sense as it absolutely helps prevent the spread of blood borne diseases. Handing out crack pipes? I'm not sure what the public health benefit of that could be. A crack pipe is literally just a glass tube. Sharing one is no more likely to spread disease than sharing a cigarette or a drink with someone. Granted, I wouldn't be eager to do either with a crack addict, but I have a feeling they aren't as picky as I am. Yea, that's what I'm not 100% clear on either. I know about the need for clean needles to prevent transmission of diseases, but crack pipes I'm a bit more unsure of. |