(08-02-2022, 12:00 PM)Sled21 Wrote: Not if he wants to sign someplace else next year.... that's the thing, if he's going to go for big money, especially guaranteed money, he has to ball out all season starting game one. Which is why we are not in a can't win scenaro, we are in a can't lose scenario. Screw his agent, he has to perform or retire or he will be playing for peanuts. And every year brings a whole new group of young safeties into the league looking to take his job.

(08-02-2022, 01:07 PM)BFritz21 Wrote: But his agent might be saying “play hard but play safe and then just turn it on in the playoffs again,” and then Bates would half-ass the regular season again to avoid injury. It would hurt his chances for signing elsewhere next year but agents and players aren’t always the smartest in those things.

(08-02-2022, 09:10 PM)Housh Wrote: Kinda upset this holdout has lasted so long. Feel like it was the last thing we needed after last years team was dubbed by the media as selfless and having no drama.




But then again maybe this humanizes us, and helps us remember no matter how high we get on the team emotionally, the front office still has to take care of business

(08-02-2022, 05:01 PM)Sled21 Wrote: I don't think Jesse is stupid. He's getting bad advice, but he's smart enough to know if he wants to market himself elsewhere he has to play better. If he dogs it half the season again, no one is going to want him.

(08-03-2022, 09:49 AM)Stewy Wrote: Yep.  He has to ball out this year to get paid next year.  If he sits, teams will pick apart his inconsistent play in 2021, that and potentially not playing ball for 18 months would completely erode his value.

Also, just as a reminder, the one player that did sit out had already played on one franchise tag and got paid millions.  Bates has only gotten paid on a 2nd round rookie contract.  The odds of him being able to survive 18 months unemployed financially, is miniscule.

(08-03-2022, 09:44 AM)Stewy Wrote: The media and fans opinions are useless on business issues.  The Bengals offered Jesse what they think he's worth.  The FO has been very good of late with player valuation.  Bates will show up the last week of camp, get up to speed and play in the first game.  It's business.  The FO and players get that it is business.  The media and fans clearly do not.

I frankly do not give one happy shyt what the media thinks, and neither should you.

(08-03-2022, 09:49 AM)Stewy Wrote: Yep.  He has to ball out this year to get paid next year.  If he sits, teams will pick apart his inconsistent play in 2021, that and potentially not playing ball for 18 months would completely erode his value.

Also, just as a reminder, the one player that did sit out had already played on one franchise tag and got paid millions.  Bates has only gotten paid on a 2nd round rookie contract.  The odds of him being able to survive 18 months unemployed financially, is miniscule.

(08-06-2022, 01:28 PM)BFritz21 Wrote: Yeah, I was thinking maybe I hope he signs, shows up for camp, and then, with how good Dax Hill and Anderson are looking in camp, we just trade him for an offensive lineman to give Burrow more protection because that's obviously the secret to our success.

I understand that the NFL is Not For Long, so players need to make money while they can, but that's exactly why he needed to sign the fair deal we offered him and needs to sign the tag.

He's playing a dangerous game with his career and money right now, IMCO.

(08-06-2022, 02:08 PM)Nate (formerly eliminate08) Wrote:  Him holding out doesn't help him at all.

(08-06-2022, 02:34 PM)fredtoast Wrote: He gets to sit out all of training camp without any fines or penalties.  I think that is worth a lot.

(08-09-2022, 08:38 AM)EatonFan Wrote: Bets on when Bates signs the franchise offer?  I will take August 17th.  

(08-09-2022, 08:38 AM)EatonFan Wrote: Bets on when Bates signs the franchise offer?  I will take August 17th.  

He's made his point by holding out.  But there's nothing more of value for him and his career by holding out much longer.  He's just hurting his value if he goes elsewhere.  Teams pay attention to these things.

(08-09-2022, 08:38 AM)EatonFan Wrote: Bets on when Bates signs the franchise offer?  

(08-09-2022, 04:48 PM)Nate (formerly eliminate08) Wrote: Yeah, August 29th Jessie will sign the Tag or right around there after the last Preseason game.

(08-09-2022, 02:50 PM)WeezyBengal Wrote: He isn't risking injury. 

Dude doesn't need training camp. He knows how to play. As long as he is training and conditioning on his own I could care less if he's at training camp or not. 

After showing up in Cincinnati last night, Jessie Bates shares a post of him working out in a #Bengals helmet with #JustBelieve on instagram.#GramWatchSZN @fox19 pic.twitter.com/0A0Fh5dEle

— Jeremy Rauch (@FOX19Jeremy) August 13, 2022