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Burrow taking heat - THE PISTONS - 09-12-2022
<script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8">Joe Burrow has taken 109 sacks since entering the NFL. Almost 35% of them have come after 2.6s. Often times, these sacks are either:
— Andrew Russell (@Andrew_Russell7) September 12, 2022
Coverage sack
Holding on to the ball too long
Either way, the OL is at fault for neither of those. We saw it again today.
It's very important to distinguish between OL sacks and QB sacks. Burrow's play style invites pressure, and you don't wanna temper that, it's who he is.
— Andrew Russell (@Andrew_Russell7) September 12, 2022
RE: Burrow taking heat - jj22 - 09-12-2022
He holds the ball too long. This is true.
RE: Burrow taking heat - XenoMorph - 09-12-2022
Hes gotta Learn to take whats there or let it go... Trying for the home run to much
RE: Burrow taking heat - Au165 - 09-12-2022
(09-12-2022, 02:53 PM)jj22 Wrote: He holds the ball too long. This is true.
He has a tendency to want home runs when singles will work. Patrick Mahomes is very similar but a more gifted thrower to squeeze things in. Burrow is at his best when he uses the underneath to setup the deep shots but he goes through stages where he simply won't do it.
RE: Burrow taking heat - bfine32 - 09-12-2022
Joe's on record saying he does this. The one that hurt the most was when he got stripped and took us out of FG range during OT. Perine made a great play on it, but unfortunately we were under 2 mins so the "fumbleroski" rule was in effect.
RE: Burrow taking heat - Nepa - 09-12-2022
So, is this statistic indicating that Burrow was sacked 71 times out of 109 in less than 2.6 seconds? If that is so, and the average time for a QB to throw is 2.72 seconds (a statistic for 2020), then how is this resolving the OL of blame and putting it on Burrow?
RE: Burrow taking heat - Bengalion - 09-12-2022
There was one play where he stepped up in the pocket and found Boyd (Chase?) for a huge gain.
RE: Burrow taking heat - pally - 09-12-2022
So stating stats is "taking heat"...it is his reality. He knows and the team knows that many of the sacks are his fault for not throwing away the ball.
RE: Burrow taking heat - gman657 - 09-12-2022
Definitely validity to this argument which Joe has admitted. Would love to see breakdown of the exact situation for each sack. A 4th quarter 3rd down sack down by 6 is completely justifiable. Also are these sacks where he’s being told he held on too long are because half of that time he was trying to escape pass rushers who have gone past the OL immediately. It would be nice if we had an OL could protect him at those crucial moments.
RE: Burrow taking heat - Nicomo Cosca - 09-12-2022
(09-12-2022, 03:03 PM)bfine32 Wrote: Joe's on record saying he does this. The one that hurt the most was when he got stripped and took us out of FG range during OT. Perine made a great play on it, but unfortunately we were under 2 mins so the "fumbleroski" rule was in effect.
That rule is really dumb btw.
RE: Burrow taking heat - higgy100 - 09-12-2022
(09-12-2022, 03:01 PM)Au165 Wrote: He has a tendency to want home runs when singles will work. Patrick Mahomes is very similar but a more gifted thrower to squeeze things in. Burrow is at his best when he uses the underneath to setup the deep shots but he goes through stages where he simply won't do it.
That is true to an extent, no doubt. Mahomes, imo, is only more gifted fitting the ball in when he's on the run and throwing 3/4, side arm, etc. Crazy athleticism to do that on the run as he plays angles much better creating shorter throws.
Teams are going to play more 2 high S against Cinci. as JB likes to throw the ball downfield more. I use to love the Steelers bread and butter play with big Ben where he would take a snap and his his WR's on a quick out and let them almost become the RB. That play automatically netted at least 6-7 yards and if the DB missed a tackle it went for 20 yards.
RE: Burrow taking heat - George Cantstandya - 09-12-2022
(09-12-2022, 03:11 PM)Nicomo Cosca Wrote: That rule is really dumb btw.
This is why it was put in place. The Holy Roller
https://www.profootballhof.com/news/2017/12/news-the-holy-roller/
RE: Burrow taking heat - WeezyBengal - 09-12-2022
(09-12-2022, 02:55 PM)XenoMorph Wrote: Hes gotta Learn to take whats there or let it go... Trying for the home run to much
That's the identity of this offense and ZT is to blame. He is all about the "explosive plays". That's all fine and dandy at times, but when your plays take 5 seconds to develop and you don't have time to throw maybe he should adjust and get the ball out of Burrows hands quicker? I dont know, I get tired of ZTs offensive schemes. The 30 yard plus TDs at the rate of last year aren't sustainable.
RE: Burrow taking heat - Bengalstripes9 - 09-12-2022
(09-12-2022, 03:03 PM)bfine32 Wrote: Joe's on record saying he does this. The one that hurt the most was when he got stripped and took us out of FG range during OT. Perine made a great play on it, but unfortunately we were under 2 mins so the "fumbleroski" rule was in effect.
I don't like this rule. I don't see why you can't advance the ball on a fumble. It's basically the same thing as a lateral anyway.
On Burrow, I'm not too worried. I do think his playing style allows for more sacks, but our offensive line getting blown up is a huge reason we're having so many negative plays on offense. Volson looked like a second or 3rd stringer trying to fake it until he makes it. We're looking at that left guard being a big weakness all year. But hey, the rest of the line looked good except Jonah can't handle Watt too well (but who can?).
We're going to bounce back and have a great season.
RE: Burrow taking heat - Essex Johnson - 09-12-2022
(09-12-2022, 03:25 PM)Bengalstripes9 Wrote: I don't like this rule. I don't see why you can't advance the ball on a fumble. It's basically the same thing as a lateral anyway.
On Burrow, I'm not too worried. I do think his playing style allows for more sacks, but our offensive line getting blown up is a huge reason we're having so many negative plays on offense. Volson looked like a second or 3rd stringer trying to fake it until he makes it. We're looking at that left guard being a big weakness all year. But hey, the rest of the line looked good except Jonah can't handle Watt too well (but who can?).
We're going to bounce back and have a great season.
well if you adhere to PFF,, Collins did well in not allowing sacks and pressures but did not rate well in blocking which showed in the run game for sure..
RE: Burrow taking heat - XenoMorph - 09-12-2022
(09-12-2022, 03:22 PM)WeezyBengal Wrote: That's the identity of this offense and ZT is to blame. He is all about the "explosive plays". That's all fine and dandy at times, but when your plays take 5 seconds to develop and you don't have time to throw maybe he should adjust and get the ball out of Burrows hands quicker? I dont know, I get tired of ZTs offensive schemes. The 30 yard plus TDs at the rate of last year aren't sustainable.
i dont think last year was ZT's identity and more Burrow and Chase making hey on broken plays. Could be wrong... but if ZT was calling home run plays with No OL ......
Burrow also seemed to just Automatically lock onto his target which helped the defense for sure.
RE: Burrow taking heat - Wyche'sWarrior - 09-12-2022
(09-12-2022, 03:42 PM)XenoMorph Wrote: i dont think last year was ZT's identity and more Burrow and Chase making hey on broken plays. Could be wrong... but if ZT was calling home run plays with No OL ......
Burrow also seemed to just Automatically lock onto his target which helped the defense for sure.
That was surely odd, I don't think I've ever seen Joe do that.
RE: Burrow taking heat - THE PISTONS - 09-12-2022
(09-12-2022, 03:42 PM)XenoMorph Wrote: i dont think last year was ZT's identity and more Burrow and Chase making hey on broken plays. Could be wrong... but if ZT was calling home run plays with No OL ......
Burrow also seemed to just Automatically lock onto his target which helped the defense for sure.
ie The offense produced in spite of Taylor not because of him? ie Burrow made Taylor?
RE: Burrow taking heat - casear2727 - 09-12-2022
This stat is not 100% true. It does not take into account time scrambling from free runners. Joe is pretty good at making the first defender miss, if he is running 2 seconds for his life that is definitely on the oline. Andrew has some good takes but not always right.
RE: Burrow taking heat - 740Bengal - 09-12-2022
(09-12-2022, 03:03 PM)bfine32 Wrote: Joe's on record saying he does this. The one that hurt the most was when he got stripped and took us out of FG range during OT. Perine made a great play on it, but unfortunately we were under 2 mins so the "fumbleroski" rule was in effect.
When the hell did this become a rule? This is the stupidest thing I have ever heard.