(06-19-2023, 11:33 AM)BengalYankee Wrote: I never want to question the best moderator on this website, but did not DJT receive more votes in 2020 than in 2016? 

(06-19-2023, 12:06 PM)ochocincos Wrote: He did, but here's some worthwhile statistics:

Number of registered voters:
2016 - 157.6 mill
2020 - 168.31 mill

2016 election popular vote:
Clinton - 65.85 mill
Trump - 62.99 mill
Total - 128.84 mill

2020 election popular vote:
Biden - 81.28 mill
Trump - 74.22 mill
Total - 155.5 mill

Trump only won in 2016 due to the way the Electoral College works. If it was purely off popular vote, Clinton would have won. Trump lost that election purely off popular vote.
In 2020, Trump did have many more votes than in 2016, but there were more registered voters, and many more registered voters actually cared to vote in 2020 compared to 2016. That's why Trump lost.

(06-19-2023, 11:33 AM)BengalYankee Wrote: I never want to question the best moderator on this website, but did not DJT receive more votes in 2020 than in 2016? 

(06-19-2023, 01:26 PM)SunsetBengal Wrote: He did, and that is why for many the number of votes that Biden received seemed so suspicious.

(06-19-2023, 12:06 PM)ochocincos Wrote: He did, but here's some worthwhile statistics:

Number of registered voters:
2016 - 157.6 mill
2020 - 168.31 mill

2016 election popular vote:
Clinton - 65.85 mill
Trump - 62.99 mill
Total - 128.84 mill

2020 election popular vote:
Biden - 81.28 mill
Trump - 74.22 mill
Total - 155.5 mill

Trump only won in 2016 due to the way the Electoral College works. If it was purely off popular vote, Clinton would have won. Trump lost that election purely off popular vote.
In 2020, Trump did have many more votes than in 2016, but there were more registered voters, and many more registered voters actually cared to vote in 2020 compared to 2016. That's why Trump lost.

(06-19-2023, 01:41 PM)Luvnit2 Wrote: Why does Biden and the liberals continue to go after a former POTUS legally versus letting voters decide? Why do Democrats and Biden not try and unite 74 million Trump voters?  

Popular vote - 2 states California (+5.1 million) and NY (+1.9 million) = the popular vote margin of victory. The founders got it right, electoral college and not popular vote is correct method for POTUS other wise 2 states could dictate every race leaving the other states with zero to say about the winner.

Obama said he would unite us, yet still after leaving office still attacks Republicans and is the great divider. Biden boasted him would unite all voters, we are still deeply divided as Biden attacks Trump supporters and anyone (press) who do not kiss his ring.

(06-19-2023, 01:56 PM)ochocincos Wrote: Why are you punishing the states that have the most people?
The states with the most people SHOULD get the most say, as every person's vote should count just as much as everyone else.
Why is it that just because California votes heavily Democrat that an individual's vote should be any less valuable than someone from Ohio?

And before you mention that the electoral college does give more of its votes to the larger populated states, it's never quite as reflective as the actual population percentages.
For example, California makes up 10.0% of the electoral college votes (54/538). However, California has 11.7% of the population.

Doesn't it also suck that if you are in a predominantly liberal or conservative state and you have an opposite stance that your vote essentially doesn't matter for the presidential election? Hard to be motivated to even bother voting if you know your candidate won't have a chance in hell of winning because of how the electoral college works.

As for why liberals continue to attack Trump after being out of office, it's two things:
1) A (former) president should not get preferential treatment over anyone else. If they committed any crimes, they should be held accountable just like everyone else.
2) Especially after seeing Trump's demeanor in his presidential term, many worry about what will happen to the country if he were to become president again. I don't think you would see the same for all candidates who are Republican. They never treated McCain, Romney, or Bush that way because they are more professional and respectful in the way they act and talk, unlike Trump.

(06-19-2023, 02:10 PM)Truck_1_0_1_ Wrote: Pardon my ignorance, but does Paul Gosar have Parkinson's?

(06-19-2023, 01:56 PM)ochocincos Wrote: Why are you punishing the states that have the most people?
The states with the most people SHOULD get the most say, as every person's vote should count just as much as everyone else.
Why is it that just because California votes heavily Democrat that an individual's vote should be any less valuable than someone from Ohio?

And before you mention that the electoral college does give more of its votes to the larger populated states, it's never quite as reflective as the actual population percentages.
For example, California makes up 10.0% of the electoral college votes (54/538). However, California has 11.7% of the population.

Doesn't it also suck that if you are in a predominantly liberal or conservative state and you have an opposite stance that your vote essentially doesn't matter for the presidential election? Hard to be motivated to even bother voting if you know your candidate won't have a chance in hell of winning because of how the electoral college works.

As for why liberals continue to attack Trump after being out of office, it's two things:
1) A (former) president should not get preferential treatment over anyone else. If they committed any crimes, they should be held accountable just like everyone else.
2) Especially after seeing Trump's demeanor in his presidential term, many worry about what will happen to the country if he were to become president again. I don't think you would see the same for all candidates who are Republican. They never treated McCain, Romney, or Bush that way because they are more professional and respectful in the way they act and talk, unlike Trump.

(06-19-2023, 02:23 PM)Nately120 Wrote: I don't understand why conservatives talk about how great it is that states get the power to choose the president while simultaneously laughing about people leaving NY and California for "red states."  Isn't that a part of why AZ went from red to blue?  Same with GA maybe? 

If all the extra "worthless" blue votes in CA and NY spread out the electoral college could be a bust, too.  Biden won CA by 29.2% and NY by 23.1% while Trump's biggest EC votes came from TX and FL which he won by 5.6% and 3.4% respectively.  If liberals leave CA and NY for FL and TX we could see the GOP starting to talk about how the electoral college isn't realty the best way to determine the president, either. 

(06-19-2023, 02:26 PM)Luvnit2 Wrote: You don't, that is why you have states that can do their own thing, otherwise the US could be one state, but makes no sense as too many people have different views.

As for Trump, Democrats disrespected him before he became POTUS and never stopped. It is almost like they want a civil war. Someone once said how does that look? I think it would look like groups of people targeting and killing their political opponents. I pray that never happens, but that is my fear and why the right will never give up their guns voluntarily to the US government.

(06-19-2023, 02:27 PM)ochocincos Wrote: This is exactly it though.

People don't want to have to move states just because of having their vote matter more.

Get rid of the stupid electoral college and count every vote equally.
If you can't win the popular vote, you don't deserve to get elected, IMO.

(06-19-2023, 01:41 PM)Luvnit2 Wrote: Why does Biden and the liberals continue to go after a former POTUS legally versus letting voters decide? Why do Democrats and Biden not try and unite 74 million Trump voters?  

Popular vote - 2 states California (+5.1 million) and NY (+1.9 million) = the popular vote margin of victory. The founders got it right, electoral college and not popular vote is correct method for POTUS other wise 2 states could dictate every race leaving the other states with zero to say about the winner.

Obama said he would unite us, yet still after leaving office still attacks Republicans and is the great divider. Biden boasted him would unite all voters, we are still deeply divided as Biden attacks Trump supporters and anyone (press) who do not kiss his ring.

(06-19-2023, 02:58 PM)Dill Wrote: I believe this question has been answered for you. 

You are asking why someone who has evidently broken the law, many laws in fact, should be investigated if he is running for office.

It is because no one is above the law; everyone who apparently has broken the law should be investigated, and if indicted, tried, and if tried, judged.

If an exception is made for people running for office, then anyone could delay delay delay by declaring candidacy. 

Both Obama and Biden did attempt unite voters.  Republican leaders and many of the rank and file did not want that. 
"Uniting the voters" does not mean you cannot criticize the other side's politics, especially if they are coming at you everyday. 

(06-19-2023, 02:27 PM)ochocincos Wrote: This is exactly it though.

People don't want to have to move states just because of having their vote matter more.

Get rid of the stupid electoral college and count every vote equally.
If you can't win the popular vote, you don't deserve to get elected, IMO.

(06-19-2023, 02:26 PM)Luvnit2 Wrote: You don't, that is why you have states that can do their own thing, otherwise the US could be one state, but makes no sense as too many people have different views.

As for Trump, Democrats disrespected him before he became POTUS and never stopped. It is almost like they want a civil war. Someone once said how does that look? I think it would look like groups of people targeting and killing their political opponents. I pray that never happens, but that is my fear and why the right will never give up their guns voluntarily to the US government.

(06-19-2023, 03:09 PM)Nately120 Wrote: If I may overly-mundane-ize this situation...Trump is also being investigated because he is applying for a job, president, that involves having access to the most dangerous top secret information our country has.  This is completely standard stuff, really.  I have a job of low importance and I was subject to a pre-hiring investigation that took months before I got it. I've been interviewed by federal agents about positions in the government and military that my friends were being considered for.

I've also had people I know who haven't paid their federal taxes, or they have DUIs or domestic incidents or other issues ask me if they should apply for the same job I have.  I tell them they might not want to leave the private sector.  I know someone who has multiple DUIs and his wife called the police on him damn near weekly at one point...he own his own landscaping business and does very well for himself.  He shouldn't expect to get even a mop and bucket job with the government, though.

This is completely normal stuff...if you don't want the government sifting through your life you shouldn't be vying to join their ranks in a position that requires you to handle sensitive information.  Trump's history is pretty standard for a guy who can work for himself but shouldn't be allowed anywhere near even the most benign of government information.  Just my 2 cents.  But he's free too want to apply for the job, but he's got to be vetted first.  Standard procedure regardless of which political side you're on.