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Obama Fought The Law.. - bfine32 - 05-26-2015 ...and the Law won. http://www.nola.com/crime/index.ssf/2015/05/federal_appeals_court_refuses.html Quote:A federal appeals court in New Orleans refused Tuesday (May 26) to lift a temporary hold on President Barack Obama's executive action that could shield as many as 5 million immigrants illegally living in the U.S. from deportation. RE: Obama Fought The Law.. - Belsnickel - 05-26-2015 I am glad. Whether or not he has the authority to do what he did, I am not certain. However, I believe things should not take effect for something being contested like this until the controversy is resolved. Closing the flood gates after they have been opened is difficult. RE: Obama Fought The Law.. - Yojimbo - 05-26-2015 (05-26-2015, 10:19 PM)Belsnickel Wrote: I am glad. Whether or not he has the authority to do what he did, I am not certain. However, I believe things should not take effect for something being contested like this until the controversy is resolved. Closing the flood gates after they have been opened is difficult. Whole heartedly agree. ![]() RE: Obama Fought The Law.. - Benton - 05-27-2015 (05-26-2015, 10:19 PM)Belsnickel Wrote: I am glad. Whether or not he has the authority to do what he did, I am not certain. However, I believe things should not take effect for something being contested like this until the controversy is resolved. Closing the flood gates after they have been opened is difficult. Now if there was just some way to make Congress deal with an issue instead of just ignoring it for 2-3 decades. RE: Obama Fought The Law.. - Sociopathicsteelerfan - 05-27-2015 (05-27-2015, 12:20 AM)Benton Wrote: Now if there was just some way to make Congress deal with an issue instead of just ignoring it for 2-3 decades. Congress won't fix it because they both benefit from the current situation. The GOP gets a pool of cheap labor for their business oriented constituents and they get a wedge issue to fire up their base. The Dems get a growing voting block that's reliably in their corner and the GOP reaction allows them to paint the GOP as racist. The problem is there's a limit to how many immigrants any country can absorb in a certain time frame until it's no longer the country people immigrated to. My biggest concern isn't ethnicity as some would automatically assume, it's lack of a shared language. Once a nation no longer has one shared language you no longer have a nation. RE: Obama Fought The Law.. - Yojimbo - 05-27-2015 The only fix for this problem is for the government to aggressively go after employers and dry up the job market that is attracting migrant workers (not that it has any desire to do that). Easier said than done, but until that problem is fixed, deporting and building fences won't discourage illegal immigration. RE: Obama Fought The Law.. - StLucieBengal - 05-27-2015 (05-27-2015, 12:20 AM)Benton Wrote: Now if there was just some way to make Congress deal with an issue instead of just ignoring it for 2-3 decades. There is..... Choose either open borders or a welfare state. You can't have both... So either cut benefits or secure the border. RE: Obama Fought The Law.. - StLucieBengal - 05-27-2015 (05-27-2015, 01:21 AM)Sociopathicsteelerfan Wrote: Congress won't fix it because they both benefit from the current situation. The GOP gets a pool of cheap labor for their business oriented constituents and they get a wedge issue to fire up their base. The Dems get a growing voting block that's reliably in their corner and the GOP reaction allows them to paint the GOP as racist. The problem is there's a limit to how many immigrants any country can absorb in a certain time frame until it's no longer the country people immigrated to. My biggest concern isn't ethnicity as some would automatically assume, it's lack of a shared language. Once a nation no longer has one shared language you no longer have a nation. I agree with some of your points. But Mexicans are conservative by nature. They don't agree with stuff like gay marriage, abortions, etc. Just like blacks kept california from having gay marriage in 2008. They came out to vote for obama and blacks hate gays... They are the most homophobic group out there ... RE: Obama Fought The Law.. - StLucieBengal - 05-27-2015 (05-26-2015, 10:19 PM)Belsnickel Wrote: I am glad. Whether or not he has the authority to do what he did, I am not certain. However, I believe things should not take effect for something being contested like this until the controversy is resolved. Closing the flood gates after they have been opened is difficult. Your spot on..... It's a joke. They gotta take away all this executive action stuff away. Too much power is in that office. Btw we can thank woodrow wilson for that..... He started this erosion. RE: Obama Fought The Law.. - GMDino - 05-27-2015 (05-27-2015, 04:48 AM)StLucieBengal Wrote: There is..... Choose either open borders or a welfare state. You can't have both... So either cut benefits or secure the border. ![]() http://www.philadelphiaweekly.com/news-and-opinion/Do-undocumented-immigrants-really-exploit-welfare-295925551.html Quote:Do undocumented immigrants really exploit welfare? Read more: http://www.philadelphiaweekly.com/news-and-opinion/Do-undocumented-immigrants-really-exploit-welfare-295925551.html#ixzz3bKoaJIH8 RE: Obama Fought The Law.. - BmorePat87 - 05-27-2015 (05-26-2015, 10:19 PM)Belsnickel Wrote: I am glad. Whether or not he has the authority to do what he did, I am not certain. However, I believe things should not take effect for something being contested like this until the controversy is resolved. Closing the flood gates after they have been opened is difficult. Yea, the ruling didn't come as a surprise. Put a hold on the executive order until they actual hear the arguments from both sides. It makes sense. RE: Obama Fought The Law.. - michaelsean - 05-27-2015 (05-27-2015, 04:52 AM)StLucieBengal Wrote: I agree with some of your points. But Mexicans are conservative by nature. They don't agree with stuff like gay marriage, abortions, etc. They may be socially conservative, but they are voting Dem all the way. Like SSF said, neither side is really interested in stopping this. Personally I'm happy to take all the immigrants we can handle from whatever country, but the coming here illegally just really bugs the crap out of me. And then the "rights" for illegals like drivers licenses just baffles me beyond belief. A person gets to walk into a government office, announce they are here illegally, and walk out with a driver's license? WTF? RE: Obama Fought The Law.. - Belsnickel - 05-27-2015 (05-27-2015, 09:28 AM)michaelsean Wrote: They may be socially conservative, but they are voting Dem all the way. Like SSF said, neither side is really interested in stopping this. That used to really bug me too, but I've thought differently after talking to some ICE officers here. The cost for deportation of all illegals and the steps necessary to keep them from coming back into the country is tremendous. The time and resources they use just rounding up those that commit other crimes is fairly significant. So while it is ideal to have only legal immigrants here, it isn't all that feasible. Our borders are large because we are a geographically large country and that makes things much more complicated. On the DL front specifically, if they are going to be here because the resources aren't there to get all of them out of here and keep them out, then we ought to do things like this. For one, it does help us get a better grasp on the situation because they can track the data. But it also allows us to try to regulate them driving just as we do any other citizen. I can tell you from personal experience that areas with a high volume of illegal immigrants will have situations arising on a regular basis of hit and runs or uninsured motorists causing accidents because they are not licensed drivers. Getting them licensed helps to make them at least partially responsible for their actions behind the wheel. It's a damned if you do, damned if you don't situation. I should also note that this conversation was had at a local Mexican restaurant which is literally right next to the ICE offices. RE: Obama Fought The Law.. - Benton - 05-27-2015 (05-27-2015, 04:48 AM)StLucieBengal Wrote: There is..... Choose either open borders or a welfare state. You can't have both... So either cut benefits or secure the border. Eh, not really. There's a lot in between those extremes. Like funding immigration agencies already established so they can do their jobs of processing workers and either a- making sure they're gainfully employed and paying taxes or b- deported when their "vacation" is over. Bam. Problem (mostly) solved. I haven't seen any numbers, but I wonder if the taxes many workers aren't paying (because they're working jobs paying cash and outside the purview of USCIS) would cover the cost of the employees who are supposed to be regulating them? Undocumented workers do still pay taxes. Sales taxes, gas taxes, sin taxes, some pay payroll taxes, indirect property tax (if they're renting somewhere which someone is legally paying for). To say they aren't being taxed and receiving benefits is incorrect. RE: Obama Fought The Law.. - fredtoast - 05-27-2015 (05-27-2015, 09:46 AM)Belsnickel Wrote: On the DL front specifically, if they are going to be here because the resources aren't there to get all of them out of here and keep them out, then we ought to do things like this. For one, it does help us get a better grasp on the situation because they can track the data. But it also allows us to try to regulate them driving just as we do any other citizen. This. A DL does not give them any benefits at all. It just allows us to hold them responsible under the law. Don't know why anyone would be against this. RE: Obama Fought The Law.. - Benton - 05-27-2015 (05-27-2015, 12:33 PM)fredtoast Wrote: This. There's a lot of opposition. It's pretty common when someone gets in a collision with an non-resident without a driver's license, they blame it on immigration controls, rationalizing it that 'this never would have happened if that person had stayed in their country.' Of course — if we let them get DL's and required them to learn how to drive, instead of just supporting a system that encourages people to do it illegally — that should cut down. But upset people, especially those who have lost a loved one in a crash with an illegal alien, don't always think rationally. RE: Obama Fought The Law.. - fredtoast - 05-27-2015 (05-27-2015, 12:46 PM)Benton Wrote: There's a lot of opposition. It's pretty common when someone gets in a collision with an non-resident without a driver's license, they blame it on immigration controls, rationalizing it that 'this never would have happened if that person had stayed in their country.' There is a large immigrant worker population in this area. They can't get insurance without a DL. It is crazy to make them drive without insurance instead of allowing them to get a license. In fact the State of Tennessee assigns a DL number to any person who is caught driving without a license to keep track of multiple offenses. RE: Obama Fought The Law.. - StLucieBengal - 05-27-2015 (05-27-2015, 09:28 AM)michaelsean Wrote: They may be socially conservative, but they are voting Dem all the way. Like SSF said, neither side is really interested in stopping this. Yeah it bugs me too. My gf did the legal way and is still going through check points. RE: Obama Fought The Law.. - michaelsean - 05-27-2015 (05-27-2015, 12:33 PM)fredtoast Wrote: This. It's bothersome. "Hey I'm here illegally." "OK no problem." It may be the best way, I can't say, but it still bugs me. RE: Obama Fought The Law.. - Belsnickel - 05-27-2015 (05-27-2015, 01:49 PM)michaelsean Wrote: It's bothersome. "Hey I'm here illegally." "OK no problem." It may be the best way, I can't say, but it still bugs me. Honestly, I can completely understand being bugged by this. But the problem is how difficult it is to take care of the situation with the budget situation. All of ICE consists of 0.15% of the federal budget, about 9% of the total DHS budget. Of course, they are also customs enforcement, not just immigration. Considering the borders are a part of our defense of this country it is interesting to think about that in comparison to the 14-17% (depending on figures used) that the DoD gets of the federal budget. If we really want to handle the immigration problem it will cost money, money they just aren't putting into the department and the agency. |