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Bill to remove work permit requirement for children under 16 goes to Sarah Sanders - GMDino - 03-06-2023 Some of the idealized memories of these republicans of what working was like for their families or at young ages is telling. They yearn for that time without understanding the consequences that come with that. https://www.rawstory.com/child-labor-laws-arkansas/ Quote:Greg Larose, Louisiana Illuminator RE: Bill to remove work permit requirement for children under 16 goes to Sarah Sanders - pally - 03-07-2023 but those same kids who can work 48 hours a week over school nights will be permanently traumatized if they see a guy wearing a dress and makeup RE: Bill to remove work permit requirement for children under 16 goes to Sarah Sanders - GMDino - 03-07-2023 (03-07-2023, 03:22 PM)pally Wrote: but those same kids who can work 48 hours a week over school nights will be permanently traumatized if they see a guy wearing a dress and makeup And certainly not mature enough to decide they don't want to carry a baby....so we'll force them to have a baby. RE: Bill to remove work permit requirement for children under 16 goes to Sarah Sanders - NATI BENGALS - 03-09-2023 (03-07-2023, 03:22 PM)pally Wrote: permanently traumatized if they see a guy wearing a dress and makeup No that is a pic of gov Huckabee Sanders. RE: Bill to remove work permit requirement for children under 16 goes to Sarah Sanders - grampahol - 03-10-2023 (03-09-2023, 02:49 PM)NATI BENGALS Wrote: No that is a pic of gov Huckabee Sanders. He really is that ugly...just like his papa.. I remember delivering newspapers as a kid although it wasn't 48 hours a week, more like 4 or 5 hours.. Still, it was uphill both ways with an old clunky girls bike! Oh the tragedy of it all! I did get bitten fairly regularly by the same damned dog everyone assured me was a very kind, gentle beast.. RE: Bill to remove work permit requirement for children under 16 goes to Sarah Sanders - Dill - 03-14-2023 New Republican governor and already FREEDOM is expanding in her state. Especially freedom to work. I predict getting these kids back in the factories/corporate farms and off the streets will lead to less crime too. See how to do that now, Dems? RE: Bill to remove work permit requirement for children under 16 goes to Sarah Sanders - BigPapaKain - 03-14-2023 (03-14-2023, 12:48 PM)Dill Wrote: New Republican governor and already FREEDOM is expanding in her state. Hell yeah - can't wait to see all those industrial accidents we wiped out back during the Great Depression when kids get back to work. Plus it's never too early to create a fresh batch of corporate shills, am I right? Hint - just because kids CAN go to work, doesn't mean that they WILL go to work. Especially shit jobs where I'm SURE they won't be taken advantage of. RE: Bill to remove work permit requirement for children under 16 goes to Sarah Sanders - basballguy - 03-14-2023 See, this is why that other post (about PnR being dead) exists. Please allow me to interrupt your circlejerk. :) Now, I was unfamiliar with this before reading this thread so I did a quick 10min google discovery on it.
Separately, I find it incredibly ironic there would be any outrage from the left over removing any type of ID validation. Personally, I would've been annoyed as all **** if I had provide proof of my kids' ages and probably would've taken them straight to the DMV for a state ID so it wouldn't be my problem anymore. Ok, the circlejerk can continue now. RE: Bill to remove work permit requirement for children under 16 goes to Sarah Sanders - GMDino - 03-14-2023 (03-14-2023, 06:50 PM)basballguy Wrote: See, this is why that other post (about PnR being dead) exists. Ok...let's see it! (03-14-2023, 06:50 PM)basballguy Wrote: Please allow me to interrupt your circlejerk. :) Oh...yeah. Ok. Good job? RE: Bill to remove work permit requirement for children under 16 goes to Sarah Sanders - Dill - 03-14-2023 (03-14-2023, 04:53 PM)BigPapaKain Wrote: Hell yeah - can't wait to see all those industrial accidents we wiped out back during the Great Depression when kids get back to work. I don't think we'll be seeing those industrial accidents in high numbers until we roll back more safety regulations in the name of "freedom." RE: Bill to remove work permit requirement for children under 16 goes to Sarah Sanders - BigPapaKain - 03-16-2023 (03-14-2023, 08:34 PM)Dill Wrote: I don't think we'll be seeing those industrial accidents in high numbers Tell me you don't work in an industrial setting without telling me you don't work in an industrial setting. RE: Bill to remove work permit requirement for children under 16 goes to Sarah Sanders - pally - 03-16-2023 I saw yesterday that child labor violations are already up 117% over last year...led by the meat packing industries. Tyson and their chicken processing centers are Arkansas's 2nd largest private employers RE: Bill to remove work permit requirement for children under 16 goes to Sarah Sanders - Nately120 - 03-16-2023 (03-16-2023, 11:00 AM)pally Wrote: I saw yesterday that child labor violations are already up 117% over last year...led by the meat packing industries. Tyson and their chicken processing centers are Arkansas's 2nd largest private employers I have a feeling that number will be down to 0 soon. RE: Bill to remove work permit requirement for children under 16 goes to Sarah Sanders - GMDino - 04-18-2023 How could this possibly go wrong? We've never tried child labor in this country before...right? At least that's what the new history books that won't hurt anyone's feelings say. script> RE: Bill to remove work permit requirement for children under 16 goes to Sarah Sanders - Dill - 04-18-2023 (03-14-2023, 06:50 PM)basballguy Wrote: See, this is why that other post (about PnR being dead) exists. I thought I responded to this. Must have forgotten. Why would "the left" (whoever that is) be outraged over removing "any type of ID validation"? You say "no labor laws are being changed," but one certainly is: the Youth Hiring Act, would delete the portion of existing law that requires an employment certificate “accessible to the Division of Labor and the Division of Elementary and Secondary Education, or local school officials” before a company can hire a child under 16 years of age. Why in the world won't this make human trafficking easier, since it makes it so much easier for employers to hire children without confirmation of their age, and without interference from parents? Child trafficking for labor is also very much UNDER reported in Arkansas. This won't help the reporting/tracking of that crime. Where is the "pain in the ass" for parents? They require age identification to register children for public schools. Also, how does this "restore decision making to the parent," as Henning says? How did the parent LOSE decision making by having to sign off on a form? Looks like the decision defaults to children and employers. RE: Bill to remove work permit requirement for children under 16 goes to Sarah Sanders - basballguy - 04-19-2023 (04-18-2023, 09:05 PM)Dill Wrote: I thought I responded to this. Must have forgotten. Oh Dill, you know exactly why and you're just making me say it. It was a shot at Democrats being very lax on voter ID laws. Dems care about ID laws only when it benefits them. (04-18-2023, 09:05 PM)Dill Wrote: You say "no labor laws are being changed," but one certainly is: the Youth Hiring Act, would delete the portion of existing law that requires an employment certificate “accessible to the Division of Labor and the Division of Elementary and Secondary Education, or local school officials” before a company can hire a child under 16 years of age. I don't recall seeing this part when i looked at it last month. What I was specifically referring to, as mentioned, was age laws aren't changing. The type of work a child can do isn't changing. The number of hours isn't changing. The only thing changing is this perceived burden for proof of ID (on the parents). (04-18-2023, 09:05 PM)Dill Wrote: Child trafficking for labor is also very much UNDER reported in Arkansas. This won't help the reporting/tracking of that crime. Do you have any data to back this up? I could not find any data indicating child trafficking will increase with this modification (which is a strong position the left has taken against this) (04-18-2023, 09:05 PM)Dill Wrote: Where is the "pain in the ass" for parents? They require age identification to register children for public schools. I only have anecdotal examples for this, hence why gave a personal opinion. The feedback I saw was this rule was a "burden" on the parents....I don't recall ever needing a photo ID to register my kids for school. Whereas it seems this eliminates the photo ID requirements for kids under whatever age it is. (04-18-2023, 09:05 PM)Dill Wrote: Also, how does this "restore decision making to the parent," as Henning says? How did the parent LOSE decision making by having to sign off on a form? Looks like the decision defaults to children and employers. Henning said this, which seems to align with what i'm saying: Quote:“The governor believes protecting kids is most important, but doing so with arbitrary burdens on parents to get permission from the government for their child to get a job is burdensome and obsolete,” Henning said. “All child labor laws will still apply and we expect businesses to comply just as they are required to do now.” To me, this whole thing seems reasonable. RE: Bill to remove work permit requirement for children under 16 goes to Sarah Sanders - Dill - 04-21-2023 (04-19-2023, 04:44 PM)basballguy Wrote: Child trafficking for labor is also very much UNDER reported in Arkansas. This won't help the reporting/tracking of that crime. LOL again with "the left." This is rather like looking for data to indicate liquor sales to minors would increase if bartenders were no longer required to ask for IDs (i.e. "get permission from the government"). One can only project the future based on effectiveness of past or current law. As far as "underreporting data," Dino's article quotes Huckabee's executive order. That is my source. https://governor.arkansas.gov/executive_orders/executive-order-to-prevent-human-trafficking-and-to-protect-the-children-and-youth-of-arkansas/ WHEREAS: Although the Arkansas State Police Child Abuse Hotline has accepted 243 reports of human trafficking involving minors since August 2017, Arkansas lacks a consistent, uniform screening and identification process of human trafficking, which has resulted in underreporting of this horrendous criminal action; (04-19-2023, 04:44 PM)basballguy Wrote: I only have anecdotal examples for this, hence why gave a personal opinion. The feedback I saw was this rule was a "burden" on the parents....I don't recall ever needing a photo ID to register my kids for school. Whereas it seems this eliminates the photo ID requirements for kids under whatever age it is. I don't recall any mention of a "photo ID" requirement regarding children's work permits. It's not in the draft bill https://www.arkleg.state.ar.us/Bills/FTPDocument?path=%2FBills%2F2023R%2FPublic%2FHB1410.pdf Arkansas, like most states of the Union, accept birth or baptismal certificates to get children in school. Nothing beyond that is required for the work permit, that I can see. https://a.arlawhelp.org/education/enrollment The claim the requirement was a "burden" on parents was Huckabee's; it was part of the bill's rationale, not "feedback." This is a "burden" which kept parents IN THE LOOP and ON RECORD regarding the hiring of every child. And it was a "burden" on employers, who could not hire without parents signing off; now, apparently, they can. Only the legal framing is twisted to make this appear the power of decision has somehow been RETURNED to the parents, as if they didn't already have it when the decision was on record. (04-19-2023, 04:44 PM)basballguy Wrote: You say "no labor laws are being changed," but one certainly is: the Youth Hiring Act, would delete the portion of existing law that requires an employment certificate “accessible to the Division of Labor and the Division of Elementary and Secondary Education, or local school officials” before a company can hire a child under 16 years of age. No one suggested age/hours/type of work laws were changing. They don't have to if employers no longer have to document their the age of child labor. At issue is the burden on employers to insure children working for them were of proper age. That has been removed, making it easier to hire without the parents decision at all, or for parents to lie about a child's age. So of course where the pro-business right claims parents may now make a decision without "the government's permission, "the left" is going to see the real ease of burden here on business, along with greater opportunity for child exploitation RE: Bill to remove work permit requirement for children under 16 goes to Sarah Sanders - Dill - 04-21-2023 (04-19-2023, 04:44 PM)basballguy Wrote: Why would "the left" (whoever that is) be outraged over removing "any type of ID validation"? I was hoping that you were NOT referring to voter ID laws. We've had a number of discussions about voter id laws on this thread, Starting back in 2016 when Trump claimed that 3-5 million illegals voted, giving Hilary the popular vote. New voter ID laws were in big part a response to that "little" lie (in contrast to Trump's BIG LIE). Over the years and many threads in this forum, no supporter of voter ID laws has been able to show that they address any actual problem worth the cost of implementing such laws. Those opposed have detailed the costs, and reminded people that organized fraud at the county and state level are much more serious, and these cannot be addressed by voter ID laws. Further, such laws tend to reduce Dem votes, and appear designed to do that, along with the many other "voter integrity" initiatives put forward by the GOP. Dems are not "for" or "against" IDs in principle--only those which seem designed to benefit one party and not the public. E.g., Dems would likely be against requiring a gov. ID for getting kids into school, as there are no apparent benefits (the current system works fine) but considerable costs in implementation. "Both sides" have been and continue to be against a national id. Since right wingers used to be against any form of gov. id, but suddenly changed tack when Trump took over the party, it is rather odd to claim Dems care about ID laws "only when it benefits them." They care about ID laws when it serves the public interest. RE: Bill to remove work permit requirement for children under 16 goes to Sarah Sanders - Millhouse - 04-21-2023 It's good to see both parties working together as kids crossing across the border during these Biden times needs somewhere to work. RE: Bill to remove work permit requirement for children under 16 goes to Sarah Sanders - Nately120 - 04-21-2023 (04-21-2023, 01:23 PM)Millhouse Wrote: It's good to see both parties working together as kids crossing across the border during these Biden times needs somewhere to work. Does this mean we are going back to the 80s-2000s where illegal immigrants were here to "do the jobs that Americans are too spoiled and lazy to do" and should be welcomed to keep labor costs low? I recall a certain republican messiah granting amnesty to millions of illegals in order to relieve the burden of overpriced American laborers on the job creators of this country. We rolled with that notion until one person decides to cry rape and turn the whole system on it's ear. Sad. |