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OL article - SunsetBengal - 10-20-2023 General feeling from Callahan and Pollack is that they're happy with the improvement, though things could always be better. Couple of interesting parts that caught my eye in bold. In my opinion, the reduction in sacks is huge, but we have to get that number of hits that Burrow is absorbing down a bit. Like it or not, RPO passes are NOT rushing plays, and they simply need to hand the ball off more and build that continuity in moving the defense off the ball. https://www.msn.com/en-us/sports/nfl/how-has-the-cincinnati-bengals-offensive-line-played-through-6-games/ar-AA1iwlhM?ocid=msedgntp&cvid=acd65e2cbd4447208d9bec9aa5dfb077&ei=38 Quote:As the Cincinnati Bengals coaching staff takes stock of the offensive struggles during the bye week, it’s a good time to look at how much responsibility should be placed on the offensive line. RE: OL article - WeezyBengal - 10-20-2023 I will never agree that RPO passes are "extensions of the running game". Ever. Anyway, they've had to face three elite pash rushers in their first 6 games. Browns - Myles Garrett Rams - Donald Titans - Simmmons The biggest thing for me is that it seems like the right/left tackle spots have been solidified. They aren't complete liabilities and dare I say "above average/good"? Do I wish the guard play heald up a bit better at times? Yes. But it's just so important to have those tackle spots playing better when we face guys like Watt and Garrett twice a year. I'd give the unit a B- so far this year. RE: OL article - ochocincos - 10-20-2023 I agree (at least somewhat) with Pollack on his statement about people focusing on the splash plays for both OL and defense. An OL could play great but allow a sack or two and people think they are horrible. That's why I give the benefit of the doubt to grading sites like PFF. They are taking the time watching every single snap (even if they do occasionally get assignments wrong). I haven't watched back all the tape, but I would bet that's why we see Jonah Williams with a PFF pass block grade of 66.0 but Cordell Volson with a PB grade of 23.5 despite having about the same number of sacks and pressures allowed (Jonah - 2 sacks, 12 pressures; Volson - 3 sacks, 15 pressures). Jonah has always had a lot of good reps that go largely unnoticed. RE: OL article - WeezyBengal - 10-20-2023 (10-20-2023, 10:08 AM)ochocincos Wrote: I agree (at least somewhat) with Pollack on his statement about people focusing on the splash plays for both OL and defense. I am interested to see how the OL continues to hold up with longer developing/longer drop back plays and if we go under center. Burrow has gotten the ball out EXTREMELY quickly so far this year. It def makes the OL job easier. The true test will be how they hold up as we throw the ball down the field more as Burrow continues to get healthier. RE: OL article - Joelist - 10-20-2023 The other thing to remember about hits is the Rats were definitely headhunting in our game against them (and got caught later in the season). That is why you can't just smile and take it when your QB is hit late or they are clearly going for the head or legs. You have to make the point - loudly. Get the NFL to tell the refs to watch out for that stuff. RE: OL article - WeezyBengal - 10-20-2023 Also, I am all for bringing Jonah back on a deal if he wants to play RT. He's still only 25, has played the position pretty damn well this year, and will only improve as he continues to settle. RE: OL article - Goalpost - 10-20-2023 (10-20-2023, 10:32 AM)WeezyBengal Wrote: Also, I am all for bringing Jonah back on a deal if he wants to play RT. He's still only 25, has played the position pretty damn well this year, and will only improve as he continues to settle. Right now is he worth the 5 year/75 million that Spotrac suggests he will get in the FA open market? RE: OL article - brian5562 - 10-20-2023 The issue on the line is left guard and to an extent center. I wish the team would look at giving Ford reps at left guard. RE: OL article - casear2727 - 10-20-2023 (10-20-2023, 11:21 AM)Goalpost Wrote: Right now is he worth the 5 year/75 million that Spotrac suggests he will get in the FA open market? Probably not, but.... with the lack of quality OT's and the rising salaries he likely isnt too far off. When you add in the fact we have absolutely sucked over the last decade in drafting oline that likely increases his value as well. RE: OL article - SunsetBengal - 10-20-2023 (10-20-2023, 10:32 AM)WeezyBengal Wrote: Also, I am all for bringing Jonah back on a deal if he wants to play RT. He's still only 25, has played the position pretty damn well this year, and will only improve as he continues to settle. I feel the part to note about that is that he's remained healthy, we haven't been reading about him getting dinged up and appearing on the weekly injury reports. Perhaps the move to the right side is better for his knees? RE: OL article - Wyche'sWarrior - 10-20-2023 (10-20-2023, 10:02 AM)WeezyBengal Wrote: I will never agree that RPO passes are "extensions of the running game". Ever. I do, and here's why: I grew up watching the 49ers (ironically) do just that with the *Ohio River* offense in the 80s. Agree with all of the rest. Especially when you consider Joe was pretty much a statue for at least four weeks. RE: OL article - Wyche'sWarrior - 10-20-2023 (10-20-2023, 11:50 AM)SunsetBengal Wrote: I feel the part to note about that is that he's remained healthy, we haven't been reading about him getting dinged up and appearing on the weekly injury reports. Perhaps the move to the right side is better for his knees? That's a good point, he played through one knee injury, then went down with another last year. RE: OL article - SunsetBengal - 10-20-2023 (10-20-2023, 12:01 PM)Wyche Wrote: That's a good point, he played through one knee injury, then went down with another last year. Going to the opposite side of the line shifts all of those repetitive stresses on those joints to the opposite direction as well. For all we know his Ortho could have suggested that he embrace the move to the other side of the line as it might increase his playing lifetime? RE: OL article - Joelist - 10-20-2023 It's interesting that on the right side Jonah is not getting beat a lot to the inside like he was on the left side. I think the right side plays better to his physical traits. RE: OL article - chrisball96 - 10-20-2023 (10-20-2023, 10:23 AM)WeezyBengal Wrote: I am interested to see how the OL continues to hold up with longer developing/longer drop back plays and if we go under center. I think that another part of this is how we can now also perhaps move the pocket a bit more with a healthy Burrow. In my mind this will also help with changing things up and keeping defenses more honest, adding a new component to the offense that will help the line because it won't be just the same drop straight back the entire game. RE: OL article - NotBigzo - 10-20-2023 I immediately think of Burrow's quick release but remember that his release was just as fast last year. I don't think we can deny that the line has improved. The problem is we're still seeing the same episodes of buttcheek offense despite the improvement. So what's the problem? RE: OL article - HarleyDog - 10-20-2023 (10-20-2023, 11:50 AM)SunsetBengal Wrote: Perhaps the move to the right side is better for his knees? Getting out from under Pollack's desk would've helped too. (10-20-2023, 12:01 PM)Wyche Wrote: That's a good point, he played through one knee injury, then went down with another last year. See, Bad habits are hard to break. Seriously, I'm going to play negative Nate on this and call BS on the article. Monday Callahan comes out and bitches about the offense. Then strokes Pollacks ego a few days later saying they've improved and he's proud of him. Geezus, we're never going to get rid of Pollack, are we? RE: OL article - SunsetBengal - 10-20-2023 (10-20-2023, 01:00 PM)HarleyDog Wrote: Getting out from under Pollack's desk would've helped too. You're right, that is a bit flippy-floppy with his messaging. Callahan needs to pick a position, it's either "we need to execute better" or "we're happy with the improvement". Can't be both in the same week. RE: OL article - ochocincos - 10-20-2023 (10-20-2023, 11:21 AM)Goalpost Wrote: Right now is he worth the 5 year/75 million that Spotrac suggests he will get in the FA open market? A deal at that amount would be $15 mill APY. If he was staying at RT, that would put him 7th among all RTs in yearly salary. If LT, would be 11th highest. If he re-signed with the Bengals, he would obviously play RT, so let's compare him to other RTs making around that cost. Is he about as good as Rob Havenstein, Caleb McGary, and Jack Conklin? McGary and Havenstein make $11.5 mill APY and Conklin makes $15 mill. But you can also find a guy like Morgan Moses, who is only making $5 mill APY and is doing well with the Ravens. Or George Fant for only $3 mill. Moses is playing better than Williams, Fant about the same. For me personally, I'd be ok offering around $9-12 mill for Williams if he continues his current trend. But I don't think he's worth $15+ mill unless he really starts dominating the second half of the season. RE: OL article - Go Cards - 10-20-2023 Pass protection looks better this year by the eye test. Wouldn't call it great, but definitely improved. |