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Trump attacks Haley for absence of her husband, who is deployed - GMDino - 02-11-2024 Nobody loves the troops more than P01135809! https://www.cnn.com/2024/02/10/politics/trump-south-carolina-primary-haley/index.html Quote:CNN — Where's Melania? RE: Trump attacks Haley for absence of her husband, who is deployed - StoneTheCrow - 02-11-2024 Dirt ball. Also an idiot. Every time: https://x.com/redsteeze/status/1756486052255056148?s=46&t=0fdWHkAtFeOeT5pnvxEBSA RE: Trump attacks Haley for absence of her husband, who is deployed - Nately120 - 02-11-2024 Quit your bitching and endorse Trump, Nimroda. RE: Trump attacks Haley for absence of her husband, who is deployed - Arturo Bandini - 02-11-2024 What a human waste ... It looks some wicked devil deal. You will have everything you want without consequences but you will never be happy. Even for one second. RE: Trump attacks Haley for absence of her husband, who is deployed - Belsnickel - 02-11-2024 (02-11-2024, 10:55 AM)StoneTheCrow Wrote: Dirt ball. Also an idiot. What baffles me is that we have two major party candidates that are just doing everything they can to lose the election, yet we can't ***** get rid of them. RE: Trump attacks Haley for absence of her husband, who is deployed - Sociopathicsteelerfan - 02-11-2024 (02-11-2024, 02:59 PM)Belsnickel Wrote: What baffles me is that we have two major party candidates that are just doing everything they can to lose the election, yet we can't ***** get rid of them. I've said it for well over a year now, I do not expect Biden to end up the nominee. This week provided the set up for that move, expect it to happen some time this summer. I wouldn't be shocked if they inserted Newsome after finding an off stage way to get Harris to bow out. RE: Trump attacks Haley for absence of her husband, who is deployed - Nately120 - 02-11-2024 (02-11-2024, 03:05 PM)Sociopathicsteelerfan Wrote: I've said it for well over a year now, I do not expect Biden to end up the nominee. This week provided the set up for that move, expect it to happen some time this summer. I wouldn't be shocked if they inserted Newsome after finding an off stage way to get Harris to bow out. Yeah, as far as "winning over all else" goes, Newsom seems like he'd give Trump a lot more trouble than Biden or Harris. If democrats pivot to Newsom and he wins, the amount of "no fair" sour grape-ing the right will engage in will be palpable. How dare democrats pretend they are going to run an old candidate and let us talk about how being old is terrible and THEN switch to a guy who isn't 77+ years old. It may be legal, but it sure isn't fair. It is interesting seeing conservatives and the right-wing media pile on how miserably terrible and hopeless Biden is in 2024 to the point where it may force democrats to run a far more electable candidate. Maybe they figure the worse they make Biden look the more democrats will rally around him with support? Biden to Newsom has come somewhat out of left-field to become what conservates were hoping Trump passing the baton to DeSantis was going to be. RE: Trump attacks Haley for absence of her husband, who is deployed - masonbengals fan - 02-11-2024 What has Newsom shown as governor that would make anyone think he would be good for America? RE: Trump attacks Haley for absence of her husband, who is deployed - StoneTheCrow - 02-11-2024 (02-11-2024, 03:10 PM)Nately120 Wrote: Yeah, as far as "winning over all else" goes, Newsom seems like he'd give Trump a lot more trouble than Biden or Harris. If democrats pivot to Newsom and he wins, the amount of "no fair" sour grape-ing the right will engage in will be palpable. How dare democrats pretend they are going to run an old candidate and let us talk about how being old is terrible and THEN switch to a guy who isn't 77+ years old. It may be legal, but it sure isn't fair. The piling on by right wingers won’t do anything. It’ll take the rest of the media deciding it’s time to throw him overboard before something happens. RE: Trump attacks Haley for absence of her husband, who is deployed - Nately120 - 02-11-2024 (02-11-2024, 03:13 PM)masonbengals fan Wrote: What has Newsom shown as governor that would make anyone think he would be good for America? He isn't Trump and he isn't 81+ years old. What else do people want? This is what it has come to. A lot of people are saying that "democracy" itself depends on the 2024 election, which to me indicates that a lot of folks see it as democracy vs letting Trump reshape our government. So the ways I sees it: What do you want? Not Trump. How about Biden, he isn't Trump? He's extremely old. How about Newsom, he isn't Trump and he isn't old? Deal. Newsom doesn't have to be good, he just has to not be 81 and not be Trump and that may be enough to beat Trump in 2024 and in 2028. (02-11-2024, 03:13 PM)StoneTheCrow Wrote: The piling on by right wingers won’t do anything. It’ll take the rest of the media deciding it’s time to throw him overboard before something happens. What I'm saying is that Biden isn't Trump. When Biden looks bad he doesn't become more awesome in the eyes of his base. RE: Trump attacks Haley for absence of her husband, who is deployed - Sociopathicsteelerfan - 02-11-2024 (02-11-2024, 03:13 PM)masonbengals fan Wrote: What has Newsom shown as governor that would make anyone think he would be good for America? Not a thing. You actually think that'll prevent him getting the nod? For some reason some people find him likeable. I wouldn't pee in his face if his eyebrows were on fire, guy's the definition of an empty suit. RE: Trump attacks Haley for absence of her husband, who is deployed - samhain - 02-11-2024 (02-11-2024, 03:05 PM)Sociopathicsteelerfan Wrote: I've said it for well over a year now, I do not expect Biden to end up the nominee. This week provided the set up for that move, expect it to happen some time this summer. I wouldn't be shocked if they inserted Newsome after finding an off stage way to get Harris to bow out. I'd say something is in the works. He served his purpose. Now he will absorb the majority of the fire from the right while the dems figure out who they want to run. It's not a great field of candidates, but grandpa Joe is going to buy them as much time as possible. It kind of sucks for the right in the end. Celebrating the demise of a weak candidate such as Biden is probably not wise. He and Trump mirror each other as highly flawed opponents that may only be good for beating the other guy and not much else. Unfortunately for the GOP, it will be a hell of a lot harder to displace Trump than it will for the dems to remove Biden. If the adults in the GOP had the balls to try to take down DJT, they would face a wrath from his brainwashed hordes that would tear the party to shreds. Dem voters are practically begging for someone other than Biden. This will amplify after the events of this past week. Both parties have huge liabilities leading them. Only one has the realistic option to disabuse themselves from the millstone. RE: Trump attacks Haley for absence of her husband, who is deployed - samhain - 02-11-2024 (02-11-2024, 03:54 PM)Sociopathicsteelerfan Wrote: Not a thing. You actually think that'll prevent him getting the nod? For some reason some people find him likeable. I wouldn't pee in his face if his eyebrows were on fire, guy's the definition of an empty suit. I'm kind of bewildered that he's portrayed as the defacto nominee. I think he's a horrific option to win in swing states. It seems impossible for the dems to run a centrist candidate. It's the most obvious strategy to win, but for some reason they'd rather continue to placate the weirdos in the party. RE: Trump attacks Haley for absence of her husband, who is deployed - Sociopathicsteelerfan - 02-11-2024 (02-11-2024, 04:17 PM)samhain Wrote: I'm kind of bewildered that he's portrayed as the defacto nominee. I think he's a horrific option to win in swing states. It seems impossible for the dems to run a centrist candidate. It's the most obvious strategy to win, but for some reason they'd rather continue to placate the weirdos in the party. He's been tacking to the center for about half a year now, maybe a little longer. It couldn't have been more obvious why. I don't disagree with you regarding his swing state appeal, but as you correctly pointed out in your other post, Trump isn't exactly a barn burner in that regard either. The only real obstacle for the Dems is Harris. They've got to find a way for her to go quietly, and "voluntarily". She'd likely do worse than Biden against Trump, but the Dem base would shit itself if a black woman was forced out for a guy who's whiter than mayonnaise. RE: Trump attacks Haley for absence of her husband, who is deployed - Nately120 - 02-11-2024 (02-11-2024, 04:42 PM)Sociopathicsteelerfan Wrote: He's been tacking to the center for about half a year now, maybe a little longer. It couldn't have been more obvious why. I don't disagree with you regarding his swing state appeal, but as you correctly pointed out in your other post, Trump isn't exactly a barn burner in that regard either. The only real obstacle for the Dems is Harris. They've got to find a way for her to go quietly, and "voluntarily". She'd likely do worse than Biden against Trump, but the Dem base would shit itself if a black woman was forced out for a guy who's whiter than mayonnaise. I disagree. The Democrats watched going woke cost them 2016 and start the Trump nightmare. They'll gladly look to another white dude to beat Trump. That's all that matters. They knew Elizabeth Warren would lose to Trump so they accepted grampa Joe for the time being. Winning is more important to Democrats than picking a diverse candidate now. Plus newsom can put some diversity at vp. I think a Mark Kelly and Josh Shapiro ticket would be better and swing state safer, but I can't see anything other than Biden or Newsom happening. RE: Trump attacks Haley for absence of her husband, who is deployed - Sociopathicsteelerfan - 02-11-2024 (02-11-2024, 04:51 PM)Nately120 Wrote: I disagree. The Democrats watched going woke cost them 2016 and start the Trump nightmare. They'll gladly look to another white dude to beat Trump. That's all that matters. They knew Elizabeth Warren would lose to Trump so they accepted grampa Joe for the time being. I agree about the party, I'm referring to their voters. The Dems have already lost support for their majority stance on Israel. Kicking a black woman to the curb will only alienate a further block of their voters. These voters won't turn around and vote for Trump, not at all. But it is very possible, even likely, that they'll choose to not vote at all. I think Trump has an excellent chance in Michigan now because of the former issue. The Dems losing a large chunk of the black female vote would help Trump in several states. RE: Trump attacks Haley for absence of her husband, who is deployed - BigPapaKain - 02-11-2024 (02-11-2024, 03:13 PM)masonbengals fan Wrote: What has Newsom shown as governor that would make anyone think he would be good for America? More than most Republicans do in their entire political careers, anymore. Although that bar is literally "one half decent thing for the working man", so it's not hard. RE: Trump attacks Haley for absence of her husband, who is deployed - Nately120 - 02-11-2024 (02-11-2024, 05:04 PM)Sociopathicsteelerfan Wrote: I agree about the party, I'm referring to their voters. The Dems have already lost support for their majority stance on Israel. Kicking a black woman to the curb will only alienate a further block of their voters. These voters won't turn around and vote for Trump, not at all. But it is very possible, even likely, that they'll choose to not vote at all. I think Trump has an excellent chance in Michigan now because of the former issue. The Dems losing a large chunk of the black female vote would help Trump in several states. Maybe. Democrats being screwed if they don't make a woman with an approval rating in the 20s their candidate seems like conservative wishful thinking to me. Not citing you, but I hear a lot of arguments that Biden and harris are both hopeless but moving on from them will cause Democrats to stay home and forfeit to Trump. A lot of people seem to think there is no way Trump can lose in 2024, and that is shades of 2020 not the 2016 they want it to be. RE: Trump attacks Haley for absence of her husband, who is deployed - Sociopathicsteelerfan - 02-11-2024 (02-11-2024, 06:38 PM)Nately120 Wrote: Maybe. Democrats being screwed if they don't make a woman with an approval rating in the 20s their candidate seems like conservative wishful thinking to me. Not citing you, but I hear a lot of arguments that Biden and harris are both hopeless but moving on from them will cause Democrats to stay home and forfeit to Trump. You're missing the point. It doesn't take a sizeable amount of votes to swing an election. The Dems have leaned heavily into racial politics, one need only see Biden's "white supremacy" is our biggest threat trope to realize this. I won't lie and say I wasn't surprised Biden got the nod in 2020, because he's a old white man. What I will say, and completely stand by, is that if they don't figure out a clever way to sideline Harris, and simply pointing out her dismal approval numbers will not cut it, they will significantly anger a significant number of a core Dem voting block. She's the VP, ditching her entirely to make way for Patrick Bateman is terrible optics if viewed through a racial lens, and that's going to be the lens many Dem voters use to view the move. Like it or not. RE: Trump attacks Haley for absence of her husband, who is deployed - Nately120 - 02-11-2024 (02-11-2024, 07:10 PM)Sociopathicsteelerfan Wrote: You're missing the point. It doesn't take a sizeable amount of votes to swing an election. The Dems have leaned heavily into racial politics, one need only see Biden's "white supremacy" is our biggest threat trope to realize this. I won't lie and say I wasn't surprised Biden got the nod in 2020, because he's a old white man. What I will say, and completely stand by, is that if they don't figure out a clever way to sideline Harris, and simply pointing out her dismal approval numbers will not cut it, they will significantly anger a significant number of a core Dem voting block. She's the VP, ditching her entirely to make way for Patrick Bateman is terrible optics if viewed through a racial lens, and that's going to be the lens many Dem voters use to view the move. Like it or not. So they either run Harris and lose or sideline Harris and lose. As Billy Joel sang, you may be right. |