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Why did Jan. 6 th committee lie and try and hide a witness transcript? - Luvnit2 - 03-10-2024 A witness confirms Meadows did ask offer 10,000 National Guard Troops om Jan.6 as they feared 2 groups may clash? Why did Liz Cheney and the committee fail to provide this evidence at Trump's impeachment trial? WAPO and many others owe Trump, Meadows and others a major apology. Liz Cheneu denied this transcript excisted, yet low and behold it does exist. https://www.foxnews.com/politics/jan-6-committee-allegedly-suppressed-testimony-showing-trump-admin-pushed-national-guard-presence-report Jan. 6 committee allegedly suppressed testimony showing Trump admin pushed for National Guard presence: report Former Rep. Liz Cheney's spokesman says the report is 'flatly false' The Jan. 6 congressional committee allegedly falsely claimed it did not have evidence showing former President Donald Trump’s administration requested National Guard assistance, according to a report detailing a "hidden transcript" that was recently released. "The former J6 Select Committee apparently withheld Mr. Ornato’s critical witness testimony from the American people because it contradicted their pre-determined narrative. Mr. Ornato’s testimony proves what Mr. Meadows has said all along: President Trump did in fact offer 10,000 National Guard troops to secure the U.S. Capitol, which was turned down," Georgia Republican Rep. Barry Loudermilk said in a statement on Friday. Loudermilk released a transcript of former White House deputy chief of staff Anthony Ornato’s interview with the congressional committee investigating Jan. 6 on Friday, following the Federalist’s Mollie Hemingway, also a Fox News contributor, reporting, "Former Rep. Liz Cheney’s January 6 Committee suppressed evidence" that the Trump administration pushed for 10,000 National Guard members to be on the streets. Ornato’s interview was conducted in January 2022, and attended by Cheney, among other members on the committee. In addition to serving as deputy chief of staff under Trump, Ornato served in the Secret Service for decades. The committee, which included seven Democrats and two now-former Republican Congress members, Cheney and Adam Kinzinger, concluded that it found "no evidence" that the Trump administration called for 10,000 National Guard members to Washington, D.C., to protect the Capitol. Trump has long claimed that he requested the National Guard but that House Speaker Nancy Pelosi, D-Calif., failed to act on the request. Amid and following the congressional committee’s investigation, media outlets such as the Washington Post "debunked" Trump’s comments, repeatedly awarding him "Four Pinocchios." Loudermilk on Friday released a transcript of Ornato’s interview with the committee detailing that he overheard then-White House Chief of staff Mark Meadows asking D.C. Mayor Muriel Bowser to request as much protection for D.C. as she needed. "When it comes to the National Guard statement about having 10,000 troops or any other number of troops, do you recall any discussion prior to the 6th about whether and how many National Guard troops to deploy on January 6th?" a staffer with the committee asked Ornato. "I remember he had – he was on the phone with [Bowser], and we – I had walked in for something, and I was there, and he was on the phone with her and wanted to make sure she had everything that she needed. Because I think it was the concern of anti and pro groups clashing is what I recall. And not anywhere near the Capitol, this was just out on the mall area or at the event; and wanted to know if she needed any more guardsmen," Ornato responded, according to the transcript reviewed by Fox News Digital. Ornato went on to cite the "10,000" guardsmen number, according to the transcript, arguing Trump wanted "to make sure that you have enough." "And I remember the number 10,000 coming up of, you know, the President wants to make sure that you have enough. You know, he is willing to ask for 10,000. I remember that number. Now that you said it, it reminded me of it. And that she was all set. She had, I think it was like 350 or so for intersection control and those types of thing not in the law enforcement capacity at the time. And then that's the only thing I recall with that number 10,000 National Guard guardsmen," he continued. RE: Why did Jan. 6 th committee lie and try and hide a witness transcript? - SunsetBengal - 03-10-2024 If true, that news not only sounds huge, but also like possibly suppression of exculpatory evidence. Why would anyone not want all of the information to be looked at? RE: Why did Jan. 6 th committee lie and try and hide a witness transcript? - HarleyDog - 03-10-2024 (03-10-2024, 05:40 PM)SunsetBengal Wrote: If true, that news not only sounds huge, but also like possibly suppression of exculpatory evidence. Why would anyone not want all of the information to be looked at? Can't verbally assassinate, or cause fear, or hate against Trump with the truth. Lying by omission seems to be the thing today in D.C. RE: Why did Jan. 6 th committee lie and try and hide a witness transcript? - Luvnit2 - 03-10-2024 (03-10-2024, 05:40 PM)SunsetBengal Wrote: If true, that news not only sounds huge, but also like possibly suppression of exculpatory evidence. Why would anyone not want all of the information to be looked at? Meadows said it happened and a witness said it happened. Yet, his transcribed interview was not used as evidence by the committee. Once again, Trump is falsely accused. RE: Why did Jan. 6 th committee lie and try and hide a witness transcript? - SunsetBengal - 03-10-2024 (03-10-2024, 06:09 PM)Luvnit2 Wrote: Meadows said it happened and a witness said it happened. Wouldn't that request for the Nat'l Guard have been an official communication? If so, how could that possibly not be admitted into court? RE: Why did Jan. 6 th committee lie and try and hide a witness transcript? - Luvnit2 - 03-10-2024 (03-10-2024, 06:17 PM)SunsetBengal Wrote: Wouldn't that request for the Nat'l Guard have been an official communication? If so, how could that possibly not be admitted into court? It appears it is a conversation Meadows had with Mayor Bowser prior to Jan. 6th. Didn't Democrats impeach Trump for a phone conversation? RE: Why did Jan. 6 th committee lie and try and hide a witness transcript? - SunsetBengal - 03-10-2024 (03-10-2024, 06:36 PM)Luvnit2 Wrote: It appears it is a conversation Meadows had with Mayor Bowser prior to Jan. 6th. That definitely sounds like possibly exculpatory evidence, what was the reasoning given for suppressing it? RE: Why did Jan. 6 th committee lie and try and hide a witness transcript? - GMDino - 03-10-2024 Here's the press release: https://cha.house.gov/press-releases?ID=05CC8BC4-AC1D-4D16-90C5-957D52B3674C Based on a Federalist investigation: https://thefederalist.com/2024/03/08/exclusive-liz-cheney-january-6-committee-suppressed-exonerating-evidence-of-trumps-push-for-national-guard/ Quote:Deputy Chief of Staff Anthony Ornato’s first transcribed interview with the committee was conducted on January 28, 2022. In it, he told Cheney and her investigators that he overheard White House Chief of Staff Mark Meadows push Washington D.C. Mayor Muriel Bowser to request as many National Guard troops as she needed to protect the city. It, it uh, is quite the mishmash of reporting...with a *wee bit* of right wing spin. lol. Quote:A January 6 committee staffer asked Ornato, “When it comes to the National Guard statement about having 10,000 troops or any other number of troops, do you recall any discussion prior to the 6th about whether and how many National Guard troops to deploy on January 6th?” So he overheard Meadows saying a suggestion was made? Now none of this says anything about the order must come from the President...not just a suggestion from him to anyone talking to someone else. But I digress. Loudermilk has his own problems and I find it odd he is heading a subcommittee "investigating" the Jan 6 committee that has questions about his own involvement. https://www.pbs.org/newshour/politics/watch-jan-6-panel-releases-video-of-rep-loudermilk-leading-a-capitol-tour-day-before-attack#:~:text=There%20has%20been%20no%20evidence,Loudermilk%20said%20in%20his%20statement. Quote:The House committee investigating the Jan. 6, 2021 insurrection released video on Wednesday of a tour led by a Republican lawmaker the day before the attack, showing participants taking photos of stairwells and tunnels in the Capitol complex. RE: Why did Jan. 6 th committee lie and try and hide a witness transcript? - JustWinBaby - 03-11-2024 Wouldn't it be the job of Trump's team / defense, to bring this up during the Impeachment hearing? I don't think in putting on a prosecution of Trump that the prosecution is required to submit this into evidence, that would be the job of the defense. Not sure "suppressed" applies here. If it was concealed, then that's a different story. RE: Why did Jan. 6 th committee lie and try and hide a witness transcript? - NATI BENGALS - 03-12-2024 Let's see here. I've known Cheney's to do shady shit. I've known Trump to do shady shit. I see this Loudermilk guy is the one who led that suspect tour of people gathering intel prior to jan 6. Sounds like a bunch of people we need to drain from the swamp. ? In Cheney's defense last I saw was she was defending herself https://thehill.com/homenews/media/4522861-liz-cheney-spars-with-mark-levin-over-social-media-after-he-called-her-sleazy/ RE: Why did Jan. 6 th committee lie and try and hide a witness transcript? - Mike M (the other one) - 03-12-2024 Not sure what this is about, but it's been known for a long time that Trump requested an additional 10k NG's to be present on that day. Wasn't it the Dem Mayor that didn't approve it? This whole thing just Reeks, if DJT was requesting 10k NG's to be there on that day, then it kinds backfires that he was leading an insurrection. RE: Why did Jan. 6 th committee lie and try and hide a witness transcript? - GMDino - 03-12-2024 (03-12-2024, 11:24 AM)Mike M (the other one) Wrote: Not sure what this is about, but it's been known for a long time that Trump requested an additional 10k NG's to be present on that day. Except he didn't. Someone said they overheard Meadows saying the President said something about it. Trump had to actually do it. RE: Why did Jan. 6 th committee lie and try and hide a witness transcript? - pally - 03-12-2024 (03-12-2024, 11:24 AM)Mike M (the other one) Wrote: Not sure what this is about, but it's been known for a long time that Trump requested an additional 10k NG's to be present on that day. No, Trump claimed without proof he wanted 10,000 but he said Nancy Pelosi turned them down. 1) Trump is the Commander in Chief...if he wanted 10,000 National Guard personnel in Washington that day they would have been. He would have called up that many just to spite Pelosi 2) why if he thought the city needed that many Guardsman did it take the Trump admin so long to call them up when it was apparent it was needed? RE: Why did Jan. 6 th committee lie and try and hide a witness transcript? - Mickeypoo - 03-12-2024 (03-10-2024, 05:33 PM)Luvnit2 Wrote: A witness confirms Meadows did ask offer 10,000 National Guard Troops om Jan.6 as they feared 2 groups may clash? Why did Liz Cheney and the committee fail to provide this evidence at Trump's impeachment trial? WAPO and many others owe Trump, Meadows and others a major apology. Liz Cheneu denied this transcript excisted, yet low and behold it does exist. A group of politicians with massive TDS lying to get Trump at any cost? Stop. No way. I'm shocked I tell ya! RE: Why did Jan. 6 th committee lie and try and hide a witness transcript? - Luvnit2 - 03-16-2024 (03-11-2024, 11:17 PM)JustWinBaby Wrote: Wouldn't it be the job of Trump's team / defense, to bring this up during the Impeachment hearing? I don't think in putting on a prosecution of Trump that the prosecution is required to submit this into evidence, that would be the job of the defense. The Trump team was never put on trial in the Senate for the Jan. 6th impeachment due to the Senate led by Schumer and a majority in the chamber refused to put Trump on trial. Also, the woman who the Jan. 6th committee who stated (not under oath) Trump grabbed the wheel of his limousine has had her testimony rebuked by a secret service agent. Democrats continue to lie and use propaganda to stop Trump from being the next POTUS. Just as the Jan.6th committee was loaded with only Democrats and never Trumpers (imagine if Coner loaded his committee to impeach Biden with 100% Republicans) and their goal was to create an image of something that never happened. They ignored or suppressed any evidence of Trump's innocence and never gave Trump or his attorneys and opportunity to address the Jan. 6th committee. It was a farce and the majority of Republicans and Independents know it. Democrats know it also, but they will do anything to hurt Donald J. Trump. RE: Why did Jan. 6 th committee lie and try and hide a witness transcript? - Luvnit2 - 03-16-2024 (03-12-2024, 12:00 PM)pally Wrote: No, Trump claimed without proof he wanted 10,000 but he said Nancy Pelosi turned them down. Your Democratic spin is not working any longer. No, Trump did not have the power to call up 10,000 National Guard troops. The commander and chief controls the military, not the National Guard. The National Guard is part of the U.S. military but is unusual because it is controlled by both state and federal leaders. D.C. is not a state, so the mayor controls the approval to call up the National Guard. Meadows testified and now confirmed Trump's team tried to get Bowser to call up the National Guard days prior to Jan. 6th, she did not do it. RE: Why did Jan. 6 th committee lie and try and hide a witness transcript? - GMDino - 03-16-2024 (03-16-2024, 12:56 PM)Luvnit2 Wrote: Your Democratic spin is not working any longer. No, Trump did not have the power to call up 10,000 National Guard troops. The commander and chief controls the military, not the National Guard. https://dc.ng.mil/About-Us/ Quote:The D.C National Guard was formed in 1802 by President Thomas Jefferson to defend the newly created District of Columbia. As such, the Commanding General of the D.C. National Guard is subordinate solely to the President of the United States. This authority to activate the D.C. National Guard has been delegated, by the President, to the Secretary of Defense and further delegated to the Secretary of the Army. The D.C. National Guard is the only National Guard unit, out of all of the 54 states and territories, which reports only to the President. https://www.cnn.com/videos/politics/2022/07/27/chris-miller-donald-trump-january-6-national-guard-sot-ctn-vpx.cnn Quote:Hear ex-Trump acting defense secretary contradict Trump under oath Video is at the link. I mean it's easy to understand even though you may not want to. RE: Why did Jan. 6 th committee lie and try and hide a witness transcript? - JustWinBaby - 03-16-2024 (03-16-2024, 12:51 PM)Luvnit2 Wrote: The Trump team was never put on trial in the Senate for the Jan. 6th impeachment due to the Senate led by Schumer and a majority in the chamber refused to put Trump on trial. But that was, at least partially [if not mostly], a choice from Trump and the Repubs that they wouldn't participate and just try to dismiss is all as political. In any event, it appears moot as there's no proof, and contradictory statements, that Trump requested the NG. It also doesn't really jive with Trump ignoring pleadings from his own staff, including Ivanka, to quickly issues a statement for the protestors to leave and go home. Again, people presenting evidence for impeachment are likely not obligated and are not going to present evidence in favor of Trump. I also don't think the riot was an "insurrection" or that Trump participated. I DO believe the impeachment was correct simply on the grounds that it was a dereliction of duty, and his denials and phony elector scheme also apply to that. The only way to believe otherwise is to think his actions were somehow justified [which is never the case, the remedies are through the courts where Trump went something like a staggering 0-59] because the election was stolen, despite no evidence of that. |