(04-05-2024, 07:12 PM)SunsetBengal Wrote: I'm not wasting my time pulling dozens of links, simply to show you what the world sees.  Just enter "1st and 2nd Amendments being trampled on by these governments" into your search bar, you'll be amazed by the volume and severity of the results that you will see.

(04-05-2024, 06:44 PM)SunsetBengal Wrote: Really? I find that sentence to be laughable at best. If the Democratic Party were the front line of protection of the Constitution, why are they always attempting to squash people's rights granted in the 1st and 2nd Amendments at the State and local levels? As well as infringing upon earnest citizens rights to life, liberty and pursuit of happiness by initiating such policies as doing away with cash bail, putting criminals right back out there to do harm to the hard working, tax paying portion of our society?

(04-05-2024, 07:28 PM)pally Wrote: what I see with that search are a lot of opinion pieces written mostly by conservatives and conservative organizations.

Opinion pieces are not facts.  Can you point to specific laws that have been passed that have "trampled" on the rights in these amendments?.

(04-05-2024, 07:32 PM)Dill Wrote: The reason it shouldn't be laughable is because Dems are the primary obstacle to the authoritarian GOP front runner who has already tried to void the fundamental basis of democracy: The Vote. And from the get go Trump has been steadily attacking the next necessary foundation of modern democracy--the free press.

(04-05-2024, 06:12 PM)Sociopathicsteelerfan Wrote: No, I didn't forget.
Possibly.  Will the armed citizens who aren't their followers follow suit under such conditions?
I'm sure you do, since you have the typical far leftist view of gun ownership.  One of my better friends is a left leaning black man.  We hit the range as a group fairly often.  He would scoff at your assertion.  As would Bel, if I may deign to speak for him with knowledge of his stance on this position.
Calm yourself, Dill.  Don't be the obnoxious person you claim to dislike.

(04-05-2024, 07:37 PM)SunsetBengal Wrote: Oh, you're framing your argument on and clinging to that?? 

People would like a 3rd choice in the election, but unfortunately only the democrats in this forum are celebrating that the No Labels Party isn't going to be on the Presidential Ballot...

(04-05-2024, 07:14 PM)Sociopathicsteelerfan Wrote: Nailed it!  The modern left is the absolute biggest threat to our oldest Constitutional protections.  One need only look what they are doing in countries that used to be bastions of Western freedom such as Canada, the UK and Australia.  They're imprisoning people , literally taking away freedom, for having and voicing an "offensive" opinion.  They're cancelling your bank accounts for daring to oppose them.  I have zero truck with the 01/06 rioters.  But the biggest threat to our freedoms as we've had them since the enacting of the Bill of Rights is the far left, and it's not even close.  

https://www.cato.org/blog/new-polling-suggests-kids-are-not-alright-free-speech




"Progressivism" is a disease entirely at odds with basic Western freedoms.  Note this graph is about allowing a person who is "anti" the topic to speak.  Looks like the conservatives are the tolerant ones, not the "liberals".  Modern liberalism is not liberal, it is fascism hiding under the bloody skin of what used to be actual liberalism.  Conservatives have their issues, to be very sure, Charlottesville as one extreme example.  But the above is far more insidious as it is far more pervasive and it is far more accepted.  


Sorry, what passes for the far left these days.  You are not the good guys, you're the baddies and even old school, died in the wool liberals like Bill Maher are waking up to it.  And I say that as a hard core centrist, in the true sense of the word. 

(04-05-2024, 07:32 PM)SunsetBengal Wrote: Here's just ONE example, to show you that I'm not full of shit.

https://www.nyc.gov/site/cchr/law/legal-guidances-gender-identity-expression.page

I'll spare everyone else from seeing the contents. Feel free to examine it for yourself, it's clearly a stomping of 1A.

(04-05-2024, 07:51 PM)Dill Wrote: Yes, clinging to the fact that Trump tried to overturn democracy, and has the backing of the GOP, 
with his family members in control of party hierarchy.

While Dems have NOT done anything like that.  No "likewise." Ever.


Part of what makes Trump and GOP such a danger is not only that millions no longer see a coup attempt as especially disqualifying,

but that they see attempts to hold the autocrat accountable--upholding rule of law--as the real threat.

A 3rd choice will likely be an indirect vote for Trump. No biggy if you don't think the coup was all that.

(04-05-2024, 07:38 PM)Dill Wrote: So. No explanation.

Quote:Oh wait. A Black man would "scoff" at my assertion. 

Quote:So would another poster for whom you frequently speak. 

Quote:NOW I see why privately owned guns could NEVER be used by millions supporters of an authoritarian leader
who might once again claim "rigged" if he loses an election he was caught subverting in 2021.

Quote:PS. I have a Black friend too.

(04-05-2024, 07:55 PM)Belsnickel Wrote: As someone who is a progressive, at least how the Roosevelts would have viewed it in the quotes in my signature, it bothers me so much to see these sorts of things. There are speakers who are intentionally seeking to incite responses from people, and those folks should not be invited to campuses not because of their viewpoints but simply because they are not there for civil discourse. We should always promote the free exchange of ideas in academia and those whose intention it is to cause a disturbance are not furthering that cause. Don't like someone's viewpoint? Hold counter programming. Share your opinions (signs are still in windows on my campus from the anti-trans speaker we had last year). But let them say their peace.

Quote:Honestly, sometimes it is good to hear from these folks. One of my favorite events was listening to Carly Fiorina speak (she is on our board of visitors, though all I can ever think of when she is mentioned is her demon sheep ad, IYKYK). She has an interesting story and is a good speaker. I disagree with her on a lot of things, but I enjoyed the experience. Sometimes, I even read books written by right wing zealot types with premises I find highly frustrating and farcical. I would throw the book if I owned it, but I will only check it out of the library because I don't want to give them any money. At least they are easy reads; they have to play to their audience.

(04-05-2024, 08:11 PM)Sociopathicsteelerfan Wrote: Even a deliberate rabble-rouser should be allowed to speak.  If their arguments are so easily refuted then allowing them to express them is a net benefit.  You are correct, it is painful to see.  I can recall some very odious speakers at my college, very racist "La Raza" speakers, self proclaimed Stalinists.  No one ever shouted them down or attempted to physically stop them.  We just ignored them.

(04-05-2024, 08:22 PM)Belsnickel Wrote: Note that I specifically said "invited to speak." There is a difference between allowing someone to speak and inviting them. There is also a difference between the university itself inviting a speaker and a student org or some others doing so. There are some nuances there that I think are important.

(04-05-2024, 08:04 PM)Sociopathicsteelerfan Wrote: Was one necessary?  You stated I forgot to include one.  I replied that I did not forget.  Is English causing you difficulty?
This particular one, yeah.  He'd hardly be alone.
Do I?  Odd that he never contradicts my assertions?  If I ever misrepresent his position I will humbly apologize, he's a person worthy of respect.  I've yet to be told as such.
Oh poor, Dill.  You live in such a bubble you think only conservatives own guns.  Maybe take a walk outside that ivory tower every once in a while.  Condescend to witness how us plebeians live.
Oh my, what an attempted low blow from you.  It's always amusing what you're capable of when you get riled up.  

(04-05-2024, 05:37 PM)Mike M (the other one) Wrote: In order to "save" democracy, you are trying hard to strip Trump of his assets and send him to Jail. 
Isn't that like how some of those other types did to their Political Rivals? 

And that's just getting warmed up. I have to jet out for a while, but i'll circle back around after you've digested that and find an excuse.

(04-05-2024, 08:01 PM)SunsetBengal Wrote: Sorry Sir, but you are starting to sound like not just a broken record, but a broken record that has become warped from being allowed to lay in the sun to long.

People are just over that argument.  The Mayor of DC declined Trump's aid suggesting that they need 10K National Guard on hand, Liz Cheney has soiled her 'reputation' by suppressing that info in the Jan 6 trials. More and more people are realizing that Jan 6 was orchestrated by a few bad actors counting on the 'mob mentality' to take over, similar to all of the Antifa "mostly peaceful" protests that went on seemingly endlessly.

You and your "party" want to keep claiming that Trump threatened our democracy, but the more info that comes out, the more you sound like a warped, broken record in repeating that claim over and over.

(04-05-2024, 07:14 PM)Sociopathicsteelerfan Wrote: Nailed it!  The modern left is the absolute biggest threat to our oldest Constitutional protections.  One need only look what they are doing in countries that used to be bastions of Western freedom such as Canada, the UK and Australia.  They're imprisoning people , literally taking away freedom, for having and voicing an "offensive" opinion.  They're cancelling your bank accounts for daring to oppose them.  I have zero truck with the 01/06 rioters.  But the biggest threat to our freedoms as we've had them since the enacting of the Bill of Rights is the far left, and it's not even close. 

(04-05-2024, 07:14 PM)Sociopathicsteelerfan Wrote: "Progressivism" is a disease entirely at odds with basic Western freedoms.  Note this graph is about allowing a person who is "anti" the topic to speak.  Looks like the conservatives are the tolerant ones, not the "liberals".  Modern liberalism is not liberal, it is fascism hiding under the bloody skin of what used to be actual liberalism.  Conservatives have their issues, to be very sure, Charlottesville as one extreme example.  But the above is far more insidious as it is far more pervasive and it is far more accepted.  

Sorry, what passes for the far left these days.  You are not the good guys, you're the baddies and even old school, died in the wool liberals like Bill Maher are waking up to it.  And I say that as a hard core centrist, in the true sense of the word. 

(04-05-2024, 09:29 PM)Dill Wrote: So that poll of student preferences  establishes the global trend.

We live in the US, I could care less about "Global Trend".  

And in Canada, the UK and Australia, the "modern left" is jailing people for "offensive" opinion. 
Hmmm. No links or mention of what those opinions were though.

Hmm, so you would like for the US to do away with the protections of 1A, got it.

LOL The new "centrism."  Far left "Fascists" won't tolerate speakers who claim Trans people suffer from mental disease. 

Calling people what they biologically are is only offensive to the people who subscribe to the Party of "trust the Science". Failing to allow those who do not believe people's fairytales about being the opposite gender is 1A suppression.

 

(04-05-2024, 09:37 PM)SunsetBengal Wrote: So that poll of student preferences  establishes the global trend.

We live in the US, I could care less about "Global Trend".  

And in Canada, the UK and Australia, the "modern left" is jailing people for "offensive" opinion. 

Hmmm. No links or mention of what those opinions were though.

Hmm, so you would like for the US to do away with the protections of 1A, got it.

LOL The new "centrism."  Far left "Fascists" won't tolerate speakers who claim Trans people suffer from mental disease. 

Calling people what they biologically are is only offensive to the people who subscribe to the Party of "trust the Science". Failing to allow those who do not believe people's fairytales about being the opposite gender is 1A suppression.

(04-05-2024, 09:18 PM)Dill Wrote: A "few bad actors" orchestrated Republican officials in 7 states to create a false slate of electors 
and deliver it to Pence, who was to be pressured by the crowd Trump sicced on the Capitol. 

Sounds like a few good people did their level best to stop the steal. You act like States didn't use "covid" as an excuse to just manipulate election policy any way that they saw fit.

No "info" has come out refuting this. And until it is refuted, the majority party won't be over it. NO ONE SHOULD BE.

Lol, if your rhetoric in that sentence doesn't say "we stole an election, and you can't prove that we did" then I don't know what does.