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Trump Allies Have a Plan to Hurt Biden’s Chances: Elevate Outsider Candidates - Belsnickel - 04-13-2024 The more candidates in the race, the better for Donald J. Trump, supporters say. And in a tight presidential contest, a small share of voters could change the result. Quote:Allies of Donald J. Trump are discussing ways to elevate third-party candidates in battleground states to divert votes away from President Biden, along with other covert tactics to diminish Democratic votes. Certainly, nothing here is illegal or anything and it isn't new or unique to the MAGA contingent. It is always just interesting how they like to say the quiet part out loud. This gem from Steve Bannon was particularly funny to me: Quote:“No Republican knows that oil production under Biden is higher than ever. But Jill Stein’s people do,” added Mr. Bannon. “Stein is furious about the oil drilling. The college kids are furious about it. The more exposure these guys get, the better it is for us.” When you think about this in the way that media biases work it really highlights the importance of editorial discretion in the news. You aren't going to see anything about this on any media other than those with a real progressive bent or those that are more down-the-middle. Right-wing media will avoid it because it destabilizes their narrative and establishment left-wing media will avoid it because they don't want to rile up their base. I have known about this for quite some time because of the news podcasts I listen to but I never even thought about how it doesn't really break through unless you listen to the right sources. This is what makes this tactic so effective in the modern media landscape. RE: Trump Allies Have a Plan to Hurt Biden’s Chances: Elevate Outsider Candidates - JustWinBaby - 04-13-2024 (04-13-2024, 04:29 PM)Belsnickel Wrote: I have known about this for quite some time because of the news podcasts I listen to but I never even thought about how it doesn't really break through unless you listen to the right sources. This is what makes this tactic so effective in the modern media landscape. May I suggest you try reading actual straight news and economic data instead of relying on editorials and podcasters? Unless those people are experts in the field (which is uncommon, since those shows typically cover such a broad range of topics) they are just as likely to pass on misinformation. If you read FT or WSJ or any number of other market/economic news (again, not the editorials) this wouldn't seem new or surprising. Here's a Reuters article from 16 months ago. It was the 9th link down on a google search for "US oil and gas exports by month". https://www.reuters.com/business/energy/us-poised-become-net-exporter-crude-oil-2023-2022-12-19/ And a few more links down a Forbes article from Oct'23 https://www.forbes.com/sites/kenroberts/2023/10/15/for-first-time-oil-likely-to-be-top-us-export-in-2023/?sh=32de4ba37861 RE: Trump Allies Have a Plan to Hurt Biden’s Chances: Elevate Outsider Candidates - Dill - 04-13-2024 (04-13-2024, 04:29 PM)Belsnickel Wrote: The more candidates in the race, the better for Donald J. Trump, supporters say. And in a tight presidential contest, a small share of voters could change the result. LOL So then Biden's team should be contrasting Trump's environmental record with Biden's for these greens. Because that's whose policy they'll get by voting for Kennedy or Stein. RE: Trump Allies Have a Plan to Hurt Biden’s Chances: Elevate Outsider Candidates - Mike M (the other one) - 04-13-2024 To me the biggest give away is the side that's trying to keep a candidate off the ballots, that tells you which one thinks he's most likely to take votes from. But otherwise, It's just Politics :) RE: Trump Allies Have a Plan to Hurt Biden’s Chances: Elevate Outsider Candidates - Dill - 04-13-2024 (04-13-2024, 06:17 PM)JustWinBaby Wrote: May I suggest you try reading actual straight news and economic data instead of relying on editorials and podcasters? Unless those people are experts in the field (which is uncommon, since those shows typically cover such a broad range of topics) they are just as likely to pass on misinformation. Seems like we discussed rises in exports and production on a number of threads since 2022, like "Oil" and "Biden Calls Reporter a Stupid SOB." Old news. The point of interest is that a lot of Trump voters seem to believe the opposite is the case. RE: Trump Allies Have a Plan to Hurt Biden’s Chances: Elevate Outsider Candidates - Belsnickel - 04-13-2024 (04-13-2024, 06:17 PM)JustWinBaby Wrote: May I suggest you try reading actual straight news and economic data instead of relying on editorials and podcasters? Unless those people are experts in the field (which is uncommon, since those shows typically cover such a broad range of topics) they are just as likely to pass on misinformation. May I suggest re-reading my post before responding in a way that shows you either went for a knee-jerk response or didn't understand the point? Also, those podcasts do this crazy thing where journalists bring on experts to discuss the topics in depth. I mean, I was well aware of this situation because it has been discussed several times on these podcasts at length. Something that tends to happen with straight news and investigative journalism like the news I read and listen to. RE: Trump Allies Have a Plan to Hurt Biden’s Chances: Elevate Outsider Candidates - HarleyDog - 04-13-2024 Sorry, I don't trust anything from the New York Times. They are so far left they've fallen off the planet. RE: Trump Allies Have a Plan to Hurt Biden’s Chances: Elevate Outsider Candidates - Belsnickel - 04-13-2024 (04-13-2024, 09:20 PM)HarleyDog Wrote: Sorry, I don't trust anything from the New York Times. They are so far left they've fallen off the planet. Yeah, but these are all things that are out in the open. Steven Bannon's own words, for instance. This is widely known stuff. RE: Trump Allies Have a Plan to Hurt Biden’s Chances: Elevate Outsider Candidates - NATI BENGALS - 04-13-2024 (04-13-2024, 09:20 PM)HarleyDog Wrote: Sorry, I don't trust anything from the New York Times. They are so far left they've fallen off the planet. Do you trust Fox? RE: Trump Allies Have a Plan to Hurt Biden’s Chances: Elevate Outsider Candidates - Sociopathicsteelerfan - 04-14-2024 (04-13-2024, 09:26 PM)Belsnickel Wrote: Yeah, but these are all things that are out in the open. Steven Bannon's own words, for instance. This is widely known stuff. This is true, and it's not like this is a brand new tactic. It's been used pretty much forever. (04-13-2024, 10:01 PM)NATI BENGALS Wrote: Do you trust Fox? Having actually read his posts in the past I can tell you his answer will be no. If you'd actually read them you wouldn't need to ask. RE: Trump Allies Have a Plan to Hurt Biden’s Chances: Elevate Outsider Candidates - Dill - 04-14-2024 (04-13-2024, 10:01 PM)NATI BENGALS Wrote: Do you trust Fox? I've noticed few people admit to that. But critique of the NYT as "far left" implies that other sources are very much "trusted." And not necessarily Fox. My question is, who doesn't want voters "trusting" the NYT? Whose interests are thereby served if voters don't trust "anything" from that source? Who thinks news is about "trusting" sources as opposed to vetting, comparing and evaluating diverse sources? RE: Trump Allies Have a Plan to Hurt Biden’s Chances: Elevate Outsider Candidates - Sociopathicsteelerfan - 04-14-2024 (04-14-2024, 11:46 AM)Dill Wrote: But critique of the NYT as "far left" implies that other sources are very much "trusted." No, it doesn't. He could think there isn't a single trustworthy news site out there and still believe that the NYT's is "far left." Rather faulty logic on your part. RE: Trump Allies Have a Plan to Hurt Biden’s Chances: Elevate Outsider Candidates - Dill - 04-14-2024 (04-14-2024, 11:54 AM)Sociopathicsteelerfan Wrote: No, it doesn't. He could think there isn't a single trustworthy news site out there and still believe that the NYT's is "far left." Rather faulty logic on your part. I didn't limit "sources" to news sites. Rather faulty reading on your part. He had to trust some other sources to eventually get to that distrust of the "far left." Just as you did. RE: Trump Allies Have a Plan to Hurt Biden’s Chances: Elevate Outsider Candidates - samhain - 04-14-2024 (04-14-2024, 11:54 AM)Sociopathicsteelerfan Wrote: No, it doesn't. He could think there isn't a single trustworthy news site out there and still believe that the NYT's is "far left." Rather faulty logic on your part. Well, I'd venture that many who bash media to be too far left would say that very thing. I'd also bet a significant amount of money that they are lying. My boss says the same shit, but I watch him mainline Fox on his laptop at every chance he gets. It's just a lame and dishonest debate tactic. You don't see many on the left pretending that they consume fox content, either. I'd also venture that a great majority on the left watch little to no cable news as opposed to those on the right that devour a great majority of what Fox puts out there. There are too many individualized streaming news sources to even gauge things by cable news. People can pick whatever confirmation bias they like, and most absolutely do. The Fox/CNN arguments are akin to arguing who voted for Bush vs who voted to John Kerry. It's point that stopped holding weight likely in the late aughts to early 2010's. RE: Trump Allies Have a Plan to Hurt Biden’s Chances: Elevate Outsider Candidates - Sociopathicsteelerfan - 04-14-2024 (04-14-2024, 12:09 PM)Dill Wrote: I didn't limit "sources" to news sites. Rather faulty reading on your part. My bad, I thought we were discussing news sites because we were discussing news sites. How foolish of me. Quote:He had to trust some other sources to eventually get to More faulty logic. I came to my distrust of what passes for the far left from daily exposure to it, its dangers and its utter bullshit. I would ascribe the same possibility to Harley. (04-14-2024, 01:13 PM)samhain Wrote: Well, I'd venture that many who bash media to be too far left would say that very thing. I'd also bet a significant amount of money that they are lying. My boss says the same shit, but I watch him mainline Fox on his laptop at every chance he gets. It's just a lame and dishonest debate tactic. You don't see many on the left pretending that they consume fox content, either. I'd also venture that a great majority on the left watch little to no cable news as opposed to those on the right that devour a great majority of what Fox puts out there. Some people certainly lie, a commonly sourced reason for Trump out performing the polls. But I don't think many people here would see the need. Everyone is anonymous, so why the need to be duplicitous? It's one of the reasons I'm a big fan of internet anonymity, it allows people to open express themselves without fear of personal ramifications. Of course, that has its negative side as well, as most things do. RE: Trump Allies Have a Plan to Hurt Biden’s Chances: Elevate Outsider Candidates - NATI BENGALS - 04-14-2024 To the OP. Well some people are acting like this story is fake news. To me it’s obviously true. I still have questions about that picture of Putin sitting at a table with Michael Flynn and Jill Stein before the 2016 election. I seem to remember a certain weirdo rapper meeting Trump in the White House. Then also starting his own presidential campaign. In my estimation to take votes away from trumps opponents in 2020. RE: Trump Allies Have a Plan to Hurt Biden’s Chances: Elevate Outsider Candidates - HarleyDog - 04-14-2024 (04-13-2024, 10:01 PM)NATI BENGALS Wrote: Do you trust Fox? Absolutely not. I don't trust msm period. Neutrality in journalism is difficult to find. My wife likes Fox, and she get's pissed sometimes at what she hears. I try to be the voice of reason and talk her off the ledge. She takes it to heart like many on the left do CNN, NBC, CBS, ABC, MSN, MSNBC, CNBC, etc. The key to learning whats fake and whats not is to listen carefully. Both Biden and Trump have done some good things and bad things. However, if your news source doesn't report the good and only focuses on the bad? It's not trustworthy. RE: Trump Allies Have a Plan to Hurt Biden’s Chances: Elevate Outsider Candidates - Dill - 04-14-2024 (04-14-2024, 01:13 PM)samhain Wrote: Well, I'd venture that many who bash media to be too far left would say that very thing. I'd also bet a significant amount of money that they are lying. My boss says the same shit, but I watch him mainline Fox on his laptop at every chance he gets. It's just a lame and dishonest debate tactic. You don't see many on the left pretending that they consume fox content, either. I'd also venture that a great majority on the left watch little to no cable news as opposed to those on the right that devour a great majority of what Fox puts out there. Distrust of the "liberal media" was a fringe position back in the 60s and 70s. It didn't really reach a mass phenomenon until the late '80s and early '90s, coincident with the creation of a non-liberal alternative--the one now largely propping up Trump. To the bolded, yes, hard to gage people's sources now, given the role of social media news sharing, and it's fashionable to be "independent" while adopting a right wing distrust of news and politics. Still, you can gage ultimate sources by how people talk about the Biden crime family and Biden's weaponization of the DOJ, or Trump's foreign policy "accomplishments." They are definitely trusting some source, even if it is not the MSM or even Fox. People can pick their news, and many sources shape it to that demand, as fewer and fewer news consumers demand professional standards of vetting and investigative reporting. Fox is the most prominent example, and the Dominion suit, whose details were not reported in detail on Fox, made that clear. Report the truth and you lose your niche audience. Validate Trump's take on domestic politics and you regain audience share. Accurate reporting of Trump becomes proof of TDS, more reason for "distrust." Check out Newsmax and Skye sometime too. They drop even the pretense of "balance." RE: Trump Allies Have a Plan to Hurt Biden’s Chances: Elevate Outsider Candidates - JustWinBaby - 04-14-2024 (04-13-2024, 07:32 PM)Dill Wrote: Seems like we discussed rises in exports and production on a number of threads since 2022, "We", as in you and I or others and I, definitely did not discuss that. The point - not necessarily of interest, depending on your political leanings - is that voters on both sides believe many things that are less than factual. RE: Trump Allies Have a Plan to Hurt Biden’s Chances: Elevate Outsider Candidates - JustWinBaby - 04-14-2024 (04-13-2024, 08:46 PM)Belsnickel Wrote: May I suggest re-reading my post before responding in a way that shows you either went for a knee-jerk response or didn't understand the point? It's painful enough to read your posts once. It was not a knee jerk response - it's accurate and I stand by it. This isn't some difficult to discover truth, like you pretend it is. It's only a challenge if you rely on podcasts, editorials and late night talk shows as your news. You clearly don't read or don't understand financial market analysis. It's the closest thing to honest news we have left, because money usually trumps politics (at least for the 99.9%) Joe Rogan has many experts on his podcasts. Point dunk. |