(05-09-2024, 02:16 PM)Stewy Wrote: https://oilprice.com/Energy/Energy-General/Trump-Seeks-1-Billion-From-Big-Oil-as-He-Vows-to-Reverse-Biden-Climate-Rules.html

(original article - https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/2024/05/09/trump-oil-industry-campaign-money/ )

Interestingly article. My question is, what happens to those promises if the industry doesn't give him a billion dollars.

(05-10-2024, 05:30 PM)BigPapaKain Wrote: Outright selling laws and breaks now.

Points for putting out in the open, I guess.

(05-12-2024, 11:52 AM)Dill Wrote: https://oilprice.com/Latest-Energy-News/World-News/The-Oil-Industry-Is-Preparing-Executive-Orders-for-Trump.html

There is no end to what we can accomplish as a nation when government and business work together! 

(05-12-2024, 11:52 AM)Dill Wrote: There is no end to what we can accomplish as a nation when government and business work together! 

(05-12-2024, 04:10 PM)JustWinBaby Wrote: Were you under the impression that industry experts - a.k.a. "lobbyists" - don't frequently have an active role in crafting legislation?  Probably goes without saying you wouldn't view that role as necessary or value-added.  I mean, the ivy league law students crafting legislation with little-to-no industry knowledge or real world experience would obviously do better without the meddling of greedy corporations.

But, yeah, what this article really says is Trump lacks the policy knowledge if he were even inclined to have policies.  And that comes as no surprise to about half the electorate.

(05-12-2024, 05:06 PM)Mike M (the other one) Wrote: Authoritarians listen to NO ONE but themselves and only look out for themselves, haven't you learned the lesson they are teaching you? 

(05-12-2024, 04:10 PM)JustWinBaby Wrote: Were you under the impression that industry experts - a.k.a. "lobbyists" - don't frequently have an active role in crafting legislation?  Probably goes without saying you wouldn't view that role as necessary or value-added.  I mean, the ivy league law students crafting legislation with little-to-no industry knowledge or real world experience would obviously do better without the meddling of greedy corporations.

But, yeah, what this article really says is Trump lacks the policy knowledge if he were even inclined to have policies.  And that comes as no surprise to about half the electorate.

(05-12-2024, 07:51 PM)Dill Wrote: I think authoritarians listen to people who agree with them or can help further their aims.

But what's the alternative view of authoritarians?  Just curious.

(05-13-2024, 08:42 AM)Mike M (the other one) Wrote: Who cares? We aren't an Authoritarian country, and Trump is not an Authoritarian Leader.

I'd prefer a Democracy where people actually work together and compromise but it's not happening with EITHER of these two parties at this time nor do i have much faith in either in the future.

Do you see that happening anytime soon? 

(05-13-2024, 08:42 AM)Mike M (the other one) Wrote: Who cares? We aren't an Authoritarian country, and Trump is not an Authoritarian Leader.

I'd prefer a Democracy where people actually work together and compromise but it's not happening with EITHER of these two parties at this time nor do i have much faith in either in the future.

Do you see that happening anytime soon? 

(05-13-2024, 12:12 PM)Dill Wrote: I don't see that happening soon if a plurality of Americans cannot recognize an authoritarian leader when they see one. 

If you prefer a democracy where people work together and compromise, then you should be very disturbed
when the leader of one party attempts to overthrow a valid election and promises vengeance, arrests, and
jail for those who have attempted to hold him accountable--classic authoritarian behavior. 

The same currently out office leader still exerts great control over the House of Representatives, blocking legislation 
proposed by the other side because of his direct control of his party.

Not sure what an "authoritarian country" is. Do you mean one with an authoritarian system of government? That could include a
range of types from Orban's "illiberal democracy" to Kim's North Korea.  The US is not that yet,
but it cannot remain a liberal democracy if enough of the population want a leader above the law. 

(05-13-2024, 11:06 PM)Mike M (the other one) Wrote: Whatever dude. If just because he has some Authoritarian tendencies doesn't make him an Authoritarian. 
That's like saying if a guy kisses another guy, he is a homosexual? 

(05-13-2024, 11:06 PM)Mike M (the other one) Wrote: LOL not there "YET", there you go again, just stop with the fear tactics. For a guy that's so smart, you seem to catch on quick when the Right uses fear tactics and propaganda, but so blind to the Left's why is that? I might miss a few or simply ignore them, but I do my best to not repeat the bs part. 

(05-13-2024, 11:06 PM)Mike M (the other one) Wrote:  Whatever dude. If just because he has some Authoritarian tendencies doesn't make him an Authoritarian. 
That's like saying if a guy kisses another guy, he is a homosexual? You are trying hard to skip steps. US cannot and never will have an Authoritarian in charge with out a major event and it aint happening in Trumps lifetime no matter what the media tells you.

(05-13-2024, 11:06 PM)Mike M (the other one) Wrote: I am disturbed, but not only at the Right I am pissed at the Left as well, both sides are pushing extremist Politics over the people want.  Neither side is willing to allow for a common sense middle ground.

(05-13-2024, 11:06 PM)Mike M (the other one) Wrote: LOL not there "YET", there you go again, just stop with the fear tactics. For a guy that's so smart, you seem to catch on quick when the Right uses fear tactics and propaganda, but so blind to the Left's why is that? I might miss a few or simply ignore them, but I do my best to not repeat the bs part. 

(05-14-2024, 12:19 AM)hollodero Wrote: And what you say kinda sounds like stating that a person with murderous phantasies isn't necessarily a murderer. Which is technically true, but also one would probably rather not leave his child with that person. So why leave the country to the guy with autoritarian phantasies. That's how all authoritarians start, as people with such tendencies, it's kind of what makes them become actual authoritarians.
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(05-14-2024, 12:19 AM)hollodero Wrote: Here's where imho the logical problem with this argument lies. Just because fears and worries get instrumentalized for tactics and propaganda does not mean that they are therefore insubstantial to begin with. That is not true for climate change as much as probably for some more right-wing issues like immigration. Just because the media at times quite exaggerates aspects of the problem (like all the alleged caravans and whatnot) does not negate the problem. And with Trump, there is substance behind the fears. He indeed tries to overturn elections, calls for negating the constitution in doing so, he indeed lets his lawyers argue that a president should have total immunity and hence should be able to order the killing of political opponents, he indeed wants to jail people in revenge and deems loyalty to him as more impartant as loyalty to the country, Trump indeed loves Kim and calls guys like him great and smart and is full of admiration, and so on and so on. That has nothing to do with the media or fear tactics. That's just what is, and what many people just accept or even endorse. You can't negate that.

(05-14-2024, 01:42 AM)Dill Wrote: My previous post rattles off verified Trump behaviors predictive of autocratic leaders. How does that signal MY blindness.