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Longmont valedictorian silenced over speech disclosing he was gay - GMDino - 05-30-2015 If only he had included it in a prayer... ![]() http://www.dailycamera.com/boulder-county-schools/ci_28209959/longmont-valedictorian-silenced-over-speech-disclosing-he-was Quote:A St. Vrain Valley charter school's leadership is under fire from gay rights activists and others for blocking a class valedictorian from giving a graduation speech in which he planned to out himself as gay. RE: Longmont valedictorian silenced over speech disclosing he was gay - StLucieBengal - 05-30-2015 Graduation ceremony and speech are for the whole class, school, and their families. Not for this guy to overshadow it all and come out gay. Pretty selfish of this guy. RE: Longmont valedictorian silenced over speech disclosing he was gay - bfine32 - 05-30-2015 My son just had his HS Graduation Ceremony. Valedictorian gave a very good speak and made no mention of his sexual orientation. I will say there was a "moment of reflection" at the beginning. It was what I would call a prayer; however, nobody was asked to bow their heads and asked to join in. WTS, there was a thunderous "AMEN" when the young man finished. RE: Longmont valedictorian silenced over speech disclosing he was gay - Awful Llama - 05-30-2015 (05-30-2015, 11:12 PM)StLucieBengal Wrote: Graduation ceremony and speech are for the whole class, school, and their families. Not for this guy to overshadow it all and come out gay. I can't agree with calling him selfish, because it's natural to be inclined to talk about one's self when giving any sort of address. It's what you know best. Valedictorian speeches always contain some aspect of the speaker's personal expereinces in school, and I'd imagine much of his personal experiences are colored by his sexual orientation and how he was viewed as a result. It's the elephant in the room to him, I'm guessing, and he wanted to share. Having said that, in high school, you simply do not have the same free speech rights you would as an adult. You can't wear a t-shirt that says "**** You" to class, and you have to have your speech approved before you can give it. That's how the high school world works. So, I have no trouble with his speech being censored for the ceremony. It's what they do. He will have many opportunities in college to share his thoughts on the subject. I do believe the "outting" was handled poorly by the principal. RE: Longmont valedictorian silenced over speech disclosing he was gay - Bmoreblitz - 05-30-2015 This is not his personal platform. This is a celebration of ALL students who worked hard and achieved an amazing accomplishment! It's totally unnecessary and inappropriate to talk about your sexuality as part of your valedictorian speech. It's about everyone's graduation and moving on in life, not your personal interests. The school is definitely justified in blocking a speech that is "condescending/ridiculing" towards "students/faculty/the school" and pushes a personal agenda. There is a right time and place for everything. Not the right way for parents to find out either. RE: Longmont valedictorian silenced over speech disclosing he was gay - GMDino - 05-31-2015 Agree with his topic or not...they didn't even acknowledge him as valedictorian. That's pretty crappy. I think if he wanted to say it...so be it. As part of a larger message its fine. I can see where they didn't want the poor innocent children and grandparents to have to hear it though. But the overall handling of it was completely wrong. RE: Longmont valedictorian silenced over speech disclosing he was gay - StLucieBengal - 05-31-2015 (05-30-2015, 11:44 PM)Awful Llama Wrote: I can't agree with calling him selfish, because it's natural to be inclined to talk about one's self when giving any sort of address. It's what you know best. Valedictorian speeches always contain some aspect of the speaker's personal expereinces in school, and I'd imagine much of his personal experiences are colored by his sexual orientation and how he was viewed as a result. It's the elephant in the room to him, I'm guessing, and he wanted to share. Valedictorian speech is given to the one with the highest achievement .... The leader of the class . Leaders don't talk about themselves.... They talk about the ones they lead. He failed his first adult attempt at being a leader. Hope he learns from his mistake for his next opportunity. The good news is that of your not failing your not getting better. RE: Longmont valedictorian silenced over speech disclosing he was gay - BmorePat87 - 05-31-2015 I guess they should have done what those who were "silenced" for religion did and lied. Say you won't and then do it at the time of the speech. A lot of people don't get why the gay community is very vocal about their orientation. It's because they went many years having to be ashamed of it because society told them to be or said that they would face discrimination or violence if they were open. Openness and awareness helps to make it easier for those who come after them. Also, the discrimination caused the gay community to form their community and culture separate of mainstream culture. It's now part of their everyday life in more ways than just sexual attraction. From a speech point of view, the valedictorian speech should be both about the speaker's journey and the journey of the graduating class. It's not selfish to mention a part of that journey that was hard when it shows the ability to overcome difficulties. RE: Longmont valedictorian silenced over speech disclosing he was gay - BmorePat87 - 05-31-2015 I hear speeches every year because of my job. There's always two students selected. One this year gave a boring cliche speech (when we were freshmen, getting lost, blah blah blah). The other was pretty good and discussed his time at the school and talked about his generation and their unique perspective on the world (though I disagree with him lumping them in with millennials, but that's a whole other debate) Neither felt the need to mention their religion or make people pray RE: Longmont valedictorian silenced over speech disclosing he was gay - Belsnickel - 05-31-2015 I can understand the desire to bring it up in the speech, but if you are told no then that should be the end of it. I don't see it as selfish and we don't know the entire context enough to know whether it was actually "failing as a leader." But when he was asked to remove it he just should have. All of that being said, I would not be surprised if the principal violated some privacy laws by outing him to his parents in the manner he did. I don't know what the guidelines are like on the high school level, though, so I couldn't say for sure. But even if it isn't a violation of anything, it's a dick move. RE: Longmont valedictorian silenced over speech disclosing he was gay - Devils Advocate - 05-31-2015 The position of valedictorian isn't about leadership. It's about inspiration. Two terms with seperate definitions. In sheltering it's students and audience not because of controversy but because of fear and difference, while possibly within it's rights, the school failed. Can I get an amen? RE: Longmont valedictorian silenced over speech disclosing he was gay - GMDino - 05-31-2015 (05-31-2015, 09:06 AM)Belsnickel Wrote: I can understand the desire to bring it up in the speech, but if you are told no then that should be the end of it. I don't see it as selfish and we don't know the entire context enough to know whether it was actually "failing as a leader." But when he was asked to remove it he just should have. Like Pat siad though...when its about a prayer there's a huge uproar and many have simply lied and included it anyway. (btw, nothing says "religion" like lying. ![]() I get he still has to follow rules. I don't get why they refused to acknowledge him at all. He did the work for the honor. RE: Longmont valedictorian silenced over speech disclosing he was gay - Belsnickel - 05-31-2015 (05-31-2015, 10:14 AM)GMDino Wrote: Like Pat siad though...when its about a prayer there's a huge uproar and many have simply lied and included it anyway. (btw, nothing says "religion" like lying. Oh, I recognize the double standard. Unfortunately the people that don't would be the ones cheering on a valedictorian that bucked the rules were it for prayer. It's why I didn't bother getting too much into it. Them not recognizing him, yeah, that's just more of the principal being a dick. RE: Longmont valedictorian silenced over speech disclosing he was gay - StLucieBengal - 05-31-2015 (05-31-2015, 08:25 AM)BmorePat87 Wrote: I hear speeches every year because of my job. There's always two students selected. How is you being gay relevant to the graduating class? With a prayer or thanking God at least the significant majority of the class can relate. Plus as a leader you taking the conversation off you and PF putting it back on the class. Side note: I don't understand why "coming out" is a thing. Your gay who cares. I don't come out about liking women. Everyone acts like we should throw them a parade for announcing they are part of a fringe group. RE: Longmont valedictorian silenced over speech disclosing he was gay - StLucieBengal - 05-31-2015 (05-31-2015, 09:21 AM)Devils Advocate Wrote: The position of valedictorian isn't about leadership. It's about inspiration. Two terms with seperate definitions. What do you think one of the main pillars of leadership ..... Inspiration. This kid failed. Hopefully he learns . RE: Longmont valedictorian silenced over speech disclosing he was gay - GMDino - 05-31-2015 (05-31-2015, 12:46 PM)StLucieBengal Wrote: How is you being gay relevant to the graduating class? With a prayer or thanking God at least the significant majority of the class can relate. Plus as a leader you taking the conversation off you and PF putting it back on the class. Then how do we know your do? ![]() Anyway, he wanted to make a speech about his experiences and striving for a goal. Part of that was his being gay and not telling anyone/everyone. The simple fact that dismiss that as an important part of his life shows how difficult it was for him to say it at all, let along in his speech. Honestly, I bet most people knew anyway. Honestly, I bet the principal is just a jerk anyway. Honestly, I'd have applauded him either way. RE: Longmont valedictorian silenced over speech disclosing he was gay - GMDino - 05-31-2015 (05-31-2015, 12:49 PM)StLucieBengal Wrote: What do you think one of the main pillars of leadership ..... Inspiration. Failed? He probably inspired MORE gay kids to come out...maybe even in their speeches...than if they would have just let him say it and continue with the sppech. RE: Longmont valedictorian silenced over speech disclosing he was gay - fredtoast - 05-31-2015 The people claiming that a valedictorian speech is never about the valedictorian's personal journey have obviously never attended a graduation ceremony. Clearly a lot of GED guys here. RE: Longmont valedictorian silenced over speech disclosing he was gay - fredtoast - 05-31-2015 (05-31-2015, 12:46 PM)StLucieBengal Wrote: If it wasn't a big deal then he would not have been banned from speaking about it. RE: Longmont valedictorian silenced over speech disclosing he was gay - StLucieBengal - 05-31-2015 (05-31-2015, 10:14 AM)GMDino Wrote: Like Pat siad though...when its about a prayer there's a huge uproar and many have simply lied and included it anyway. (btw, nothing says "religion" like lying. Standing for God when your told not to is actually a good thing. Before you and the rest start trying to kill that ..... Thanking God in the speech is not singled out to just the valedictorian. It's for the whole group. Statistically most groups are religious so most relate. Him telling every one he is gay is probably ably better left for Facebook..... Since its about him |