Quote:“See, I’m asking you! You’re a Democrat. He’s a socialist. Do you like someone calling you a socialist? I wouldn’t like someone calling me a socialist,” Matthews said.

“Well, you see, I’m not one,” Clinton replied.

Matthews still wasn’t pleased with the answer.

“Well, what’s the difference between a socialist and a Democrat?” he asked. “That’s the question.”

“Well, I can tell you what I am,” Clinton said. “I am a progressive Democrat.”

“How’s that different than a socialist?” Matthews fired back.

Clinton didn’t answer, but only said she’s a Democrat who “likes to get things done.”

(01-06-2016, 01:52 AM)Yojimbo Wrote: Why does everything have to be black & white and labeled in politics?

(01-06-2016, 01:52 AM)Yojimbo Wrote: Why does everything have to be black & white and labeled in politics?

Quote:Dangerous confusion threatened the Republicans on the second day of their convention. In an interview on the NBC Today Show, President Bush was deferentially asked about the war on terrorism. "I don't think you can win it," he replied. For hours afterwards, his campaign issued bulletins to say he hadn't meant it.


Finally, appearing before the American Legion veterans in Nashville, Bush declared: "We will win."


Vice-President Dick Cheney helpfully explained: "The president certainly never intended to convey the notion that we can't win."


By breaking his own iron law - "I don't do nuance" - Bush had blurred himself into the negative image of John Kerry as a flip-flopper.
Nuance leads to ambivalence, which can lead to inaction; and who then can be an action hero?

(01-06-2016, 01:55 PM)fredtoast Wrote: How can Hillary comment on how Bernie Sanders defines his political position?  Isn't that a question for Bernie?

In fact in the interview Chris clearly says that Hillary is NOT a socialist.  So i don't know why he even needed to ask her the question.  If he knows she is not a socialist then he knows the difference.

(01-06-2016, 01:55 PM)fredtoast Wrote: How can Hillary comment on how Bernie Sanders defines his political position?  Isn't that a question for Bernie?

In fact in the interview Chris clearly says that Hillary is NOT a socialist.  So i don't know why he even needed to ask her the question.  If he knows she is not a socialist then he knows the difference.

(01-06-2016, 02:42 PM)StLucieBengal Wrote: He asked about her not Bernie.

(01-06-2016, 02:57 PM)Rotobeast Wrote: Shouldn't ANYONE in politics be able to define ANY political ideology ?
Is this not the simplest thing to answer,  given their supposed education and experience ?
It doesn't matter if it reflects their ideology.
If you don't answer the question,  you appear inadequate.

(01-06-2016, 02:11 PM)Belsnickel Wrote: Socialism is a political ideology that the Democrats embrace pieces of in their platform, however individual candidates (even some GOP ones) tend to embrace more or less depending on their personal stance. Sanders embraces more socialism than Clinton does, plain and simple.

Of course saying this would just raise hackles because we mistakenly see socialism as a bad word that the hawkish "conservatives" over the years that have painted an image of socialism that does not accurately represent what the political ideology is actually all about. So she skirts the conversation because she doesn't want to cause a ruckus by telling the truth and wasn't quick enough to come up with a slick way to make it sound better or answering the question without answering it in a way that no one would notice.

(01-06-2016, 03:50 PM)wildcats forever Wrote: Sanders is a self-described 'Democratic Socialist' which is one of many forms of socialism. That aspect has been overlooked by many, as described in the dreaded Wikipedia: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Socialism

It's complicated for many it seems.

(01-06-2016, 04:00 PM)Belsnickel Wrote: Well, most people don't understand what socialism truly is and they don't realize there are many ways to look at socialism. They don't know the difference between Marxism, Maoism, Leninism, and all the rest. All because of the dreaded reds, some just see the word and immediately shut down any open mindedness towards the policies.

(01-06-2016, 04:00 PM)Belsnickel Wrote: Well, most people don't understand what socialism truly is and they don't realize there are many ways to look at socialism. They don't know the difference between Marxism, Maoism, Leninism, and all the rest. All because of the dreaded reds, some just see the word and immediately shut down any open mindedness towards the policies.

(01-06-2016, 03:36 PM)6andcounting Wrote: Is it really that hard to say that socialism is government ownership of the means of production (or whatever word or phrase you can substitute for that) and my economic platforms differs from that because X,Y and Z?

(01-09-2016, 09:43 AM)JustWinBaby Wrote: All Socialists, at their core, see the govt as Adam Smith's "invisible hand".  Problem is, if most of these schmucks had a talent for business or economics they wouldn't be in govt.