(01-13-2016, 03:17 AM)wolfkaosaun Wrote: We're not talking about Dalton. We're talking about McCarron.

And McCarron wasn't good this game.

Not comparing him to anyone else but himself.

(01-13-2016, 03:23 AM)wolfkaosaun Wrote: How many times has McCarron won a playoff game? How many times has McCarron beaten a team that had more than 5 wins?

How many turnovers did McCarron have within the Steelers 30 yard line?

McCarron did not have a good game. Plain and simple.

I mean, if we're comparing the two. Andy Dalton only has one more fumble (4) than McCarron does (3) in playoff games.

Although, Dalton played in 4 games. McCarron in 1.

(01-13-2016, 03:45 PM)Shake n Blake Wrote: Yep. If you criticized the weapons or even suggested they weren't top 5, you were "tearing down the team to prop up Andy". 

(01-13-2016, 05:54 PM)BigSeph Wrote: As opposed to claiming the weapons are the only reason AJM has been able to accomplish anything good and the team has had to carry him?

There doesn't seem to be much objectivity on this topic.  A lot of axe grinding.

(01-13-2016, 05:57 PM)Junglejuice Wrote: At the end of the day its not like AJ rose up and took over.
Lets face it if Taze doesnt knock Ben out for the 4th quarter we get mudstomped.

The inept offense benefited from better starting position on possessions and from Pitt going into full on Holy @$$! just hang on Prevent D.


Once again guys AJ played well enough to win the game due to the circumstances. He also made enough mistakes at times to get us blown out of the building.
But there are just way toooooo many variables to make any sort of comparisons between both QBs in the playoffs.

(01-13-2016, 06:09 PM)BigSeph Wrote: 1.  He sort of did.  From the end of the 3rd til the end of the game, he was driving the team down the field.

Bengals last 3rd quarter drive started at the Cincy 20, ended at Steelers 23 (Gio/Shazier fiasco)

Bengals first 4th quarter drive started at the Steelers 46, ended in a Bengals TD.

Bengals second 4th quarter drive started at the Cincy 13, ended at Steelers 17 (Nugent FG)

Bengals third 4th quarter drive started at Steelers 45, ended in a Bengals TD.

Bengals last drive was 1 carry to Hill, fumble, turnover.

So apart from a horsecrap non-call on crown of helmet personal foul, he took the team down the field and put points on the board every drive from the end of the 3rd til the end of the game.  It's "not like he rose up and took over?"

2.  Ben wasn't mudstomping anybody the first 3 quarters, Martavis Bryant's 44-yard reverse was the biggest play they had on offense really.  They put up 15 points.

3.  The drive that started at the Cincy 13 and resulted in a short FG flies in the face of your assertion.

4.  There are a ton of variables.  If anything McCarron should get even MORE credit considering the elements and his inexperience, and the way he finished out the game.

(01-13-2016, 06:09 PM)BigSeph Wrote: 1.  He sort of did.  From the end of the 3rd til the end of the game, he was driving the team down the field.

Bengals last 3rd quarter drive started at the Cincy 20, ended at Steelers 23 (Gio/Shazier fiasco)

Bengals first 4th quarter drive started at the Steelers 46, ended in a Bengals TD.

Bengals second 4th quarter drive started at the Cincy 13, ended at Steelers 17 (Nugent FG)

Bengals third 4th quarter drive started at Steelers 45, ended in a Bengals TD.

Bengals last drive was 1 carry to Hill, fumble, turnover.

So apart from a horsecrap non-call on crown of helmet personal foul, he took the team down the field and put points on the board every drive from the end of the 3rd til the end of the game.  It's "not like he rose up and took over?"

2.  Ben wasn't mudstomping anybody the first 3 quarters, Martavis Bryant's 44-yard reverse was the biggest play they had on offense really.  They put up 15 points.

3.  The drive that started at the Cincy 13 and resulted in a short FG flies in the face of your assertion.

4.  There are a ton of variables.  If anything McCarron should get even MORE credit considering the elements and his inexperience, and the way he finished out the game.

(01-13-2016, 06:26 PM)Brownshoe Wrote: Damn, so you're telling me McCarron only scored 3 points starting his drive on the Bengals side of the field... Interesting. Good thing he had a good defense and special teams play to help him bring it to the Steelers side of the field. Actually, now that I think about it. Most of the points McCarron has scored throughout all of his starts have been due to him starting on his opponents side of the field. Man, McCarron must be happy to have such a good defense and special team around him.

(01-13-2016, 06:40 PM)BigSeph Wrote: If the Bengals had scored TDs on the long drives and Gio fumbles and Nugent kicks a FG on the 2 short drives, would you be saying the opposite?

You guys are hilarious.

(01-13-2016, 06:59 PM)Brownshoe Wrote: Yeah, McCarrons narrative would be completely different if he could actually drive the length field and score points. Unfortunately he seems to have a problem with that, and mostly can only score points when he gets the ball on the opponents side of the field.

(01-13-2016, 07:52 PM)BigSeph Wrote: That actually goes for all NFL QBs.

They all score points more easily when inheriting field position in opponents' territory.

What's next, he sucks because he plays QB and throws a football?

Some of you are just embarrassing yourselves.  Give the guy a little credit.  Are you guys so traumatized by the 3 or 4 guys in preseason saying AJ should start that you can't bring yourselves to give him any credit?  I just read an article on Bengals.com that called his performance heroic.

Nobody's asking you to go that far.  Just say it was a gutsy performance.

(01-13-2016, 08:02 PM)Brownshoe Wrote: The thing is McCarron scores more than half of his points from short field position, because he can't drive down the field.

(01-13-2016, 08:04 PM)Beaker Wrote: You mean like in the first half of the broncos game when he led scoring drives of 90 and 80 yards against the NFL's number 1 defense?

(01-13-2016, 08:07 PM)Brownshoe Wrote: What about how he couldn't lead the offense to any points against the 49ers if the ball didn't start on their side of the field. On top of that he only was able to convert 4/14 on 3rd down against that crappy defense. Or what about how about half of his points against the Ravens bad defense came the same way, and one of the TDs the offense did score that started on the Bengals side of the field came from a 40 yard run from Hill. Plus he wasn't able to convert a 3rd down against their bad defense. Good job McCarron you had two good drives against the Broncos defense. You da real MVP.

(01-13-2016, 08:10 PM)Beaker Wrote: The O line had a terrible game vs the niners. In the ravens game, too much was made about no third down conversions. We had 2 4th down conversions, and many conversions on 1st and 2nd down. And the most important thing you overlooked....both of those games were wins. So please, go on.

(01-13-2016, 08:10 PM)Beaker Wrote: The O line had a terrible game vs the niners. In the ravens game, too much was made about no third down conversions. We had 2 4th down conversions, and many conversions on 1st and 2nd down. And the most important thing you overlooked....both of those games were wins. So please, go on.

(01-13-2016, 08:12 PM)Brownshoe Wrote: My bad, I forgot getting wins over teams with less wins combined than the Bengals is an amazing achievement.

(01-13-2016, 08:15 PM)Brownshoe Wrote: Oh and BTW. The Ravens had 5 more first downs than us in that game. We only converted once on 4th down.