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US military commander in Iraq and Syria rejects GOP pledges to 'carpet-bomb' Isis - GMDino - 02-02-2016 http://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2016/feb/01/us-military-iraq-syria-sean-macfarland-republican-carpet-bomb-isis?CMP=fb_us Quote:The US military commander in charge of the Iraq-Syria war has tacitly rebuked pledges by leading Republican presidential contenders to “carpet-bomb” theIslamic State. RE: US military commander in Iraq and Syria rejects GOP pledges to 'carpet-bomb' Isis - Benton - 02-02-2016 I'm shocked a billionaire who ran from military service and a faux Conservative don't know much about military action. But, really, none of them do. And — for better or worse — they don't have to. Whoever sits in the seat relies on briefings. Those briefings come from the same people who have been around for decades. That's why, generally, you don't see much change regardless of what candidates say. RE: US military commander in Iraq and Syria rejects GOP pledges to 'carpet-bomb' Isis - GMDino - 02-02-2016 (02-02-2016, 11:25 AM)Benton Wrote: I'm shocked a billionaire who ran from military service and a faux Conservative don't know much about military action. But, really, none of them do. And — for better or worse — they don't have to. Whoever sits in the seat relies on briefings. Those briefings come from the same people who have been around for decades. Yep, it is just pandering but I enjoy when someone with knowledge speaks out. RE: US military commander in Iraq and Syria rejects GOP pledges to 'carpet-bomb' Isis - Benton - 02-02-2016 (02-02-2016, 11:27 AM)GMDino Wrote: Yep, it is just pandering but I enjoy when someone with knowledge speaks out. Agreed. I'm surprised it doesn't happen more often. It's really got to grate on your nerves a bit when some moron looking to score points starts running his mouth and you know it's not going to do much. RE: US military commander in Iraq and Syria rejects GOP pledges to 'carpet-bomb' Isis - BmorePat87 - 02-02-2016 It doesn't really surprise me that military leaders tend to not speak publicly about things like this. I would want to stay above it all too. RE: US military commander in Iraq and Syria rejects GOP pledges to 'carpet-bomb' Isis - McC - 02-02-2016 Nah, let's just ***** foot around with them for the next hundred years. This generation's Viet Nam. RE: US military commander in Iraq and Syria rejects GOP pledges to 'carpet-bomb' Isis - GMDino - 02-02-2016 (02-02-2016, 11:54 AM)BmorePat87 Wrote: It doesn't really surprise me that military leaders tend to not speak publicly about things like this. I would want to stay above it all too. It would help keep the rhetoric down and stop riling up hate for all Muslims though. RE: US military commander in Iraq and Syria rejects GOP pledges to 'carpet-bomb' Isis - fredtoast - 02-02-2016 (02-02-2016, 12:01 PM)McC Wrote: Nah, let's just ***** foot around with them for the next hundred years. This generation's Viet Nam. Right, because after we stopped bombing the North Vietnamese the communist came over here and took over. ![]() The similarities between our screw up in Vietnam, and Iraq are scary. Both military actions were justified by a lie ("Gulf of Tonkin", "Weapons of Mass destruction") and fueled by fear ("If we don't defeat them over there we will have to fight them here in America"). It is amazing that we never learned our lesson from Vietnam. We did not kill them all, yet instead of it being the first stepping stone of world domination by communists we now have Viertnam as a favored trading partner of the United States. RE: US military commander in Iraq and Syria rejects GOP pledges to 'carpet-bomb' Isis - michaelsean - 02-02-2016 A general shouldn't react to anything someone who has no authority babbles about military force. The next time someone says something and nobody replies do we take that as tacit approval? RE: US military commander in Iraq and Syria rejects GOP pledges to 'carpet-bomb' Isis - McC - 02-02-2016 (02-02-2016, 12:15 PM)fredtoast Wrote: Right, because after we stopped bombing the North Vietnamese the communist came over here and took over. It's just a terrible situation. If we're sending our sons and daughters over there to fight, there should at least be some prospect for ending the conflict. But this is not a conflict that will end and all our considerable military won't make it so. It's as much a CIA operation as a military one. What happens if you just leave? What happens if you do carpet bomb whole countries? You don't want Al Qaeda to have its own country but they are never going to go away. You can't invade every country that harbors terrorists. It seems so unwinnable and just looks like an eternal struggle because we, the infidels aren't going away either. RE: US military commander in Iraq and Syria rejects GOP pledges to 'carpet-bomb' Isis - XenoMorph - 02-02-2016 if he wont do his job he will be replaced... simple. his job is to follow orders. RE: US military commander in Iraq and Syria rejects GOP pledges to 'carpet-bomb' Isis - GMDino - 02-02-2016 (02-02-2016, 12:29 PM)michaelsean Wrote: A general shouldn't react to anything someone who has no authority babbles about military force. The next time someone says something and nobody replies do we take that as tacit approval? Of course not. The sane people know the inmates are just babbling about the bombing. But it is still nice that when asked they speak up and say the people who want to be commander and chief are clueless. RE: US military commander in Iraq and Syria rejects GOP pledges to 'carpet-bomb' Isis - oncemoreuntothejimbreech - 02-02-2016 (02-02-2016, 12:47 PM)XenoMorph Wrote: if he wont do his job he will be replaced... simple. his job is to follow orders. Unless those orders are illegal or immoral, then your job is to counsel the idiot giving the illegal/immoral order. And if they can't be dissuaded from giving an illegal/immoral order then your job is to disobey them. This is Into to Soldiering 101. RE: US military commander in Iraq and Syria rejects GOP pledges to 'carpet-bomb' Isis - fredtoast - 02-02-2016 (02-02-2016, 12:30 PM)McC Wrote: It seems so unwinnable and just looks like an eternal struggle because we, the infidels aren't going away either. 90% of the violence is Shia Muslim against Sunni Muslim. I say leave and just let them fight it out. We are not their main target. and we are even less of a target if we stop propping up Israel and pumping billions of dollars of support into Saudi Arabia. RE: US military commander in Iraq and Syria rejects GOP pledges to 'carpet-bomb' Isis - XenoMorph - 02-02-2016 (02-02-2016, 01:04 PM)oncemoreuntothejimbreech Wrote: Unless those orders are illegal or immoral, then your job is to counsel the idiot giving the illegal/immoral order. And if they can't be dissuaded from giving an illegal/immoral order then your job is to disobey them. This is Into to Soldiering 101. at which point the higher ups would have him arrested and replaced. his moral conscience would be clean. but the end result would be the same. We arent as brutal as some militarys in the past where your decision is to obey or be shot. But he hasnt been given this order yet. so this whole thread is mute. RE: US military commander in Iraq and Syria rejects GOP pledges to 'carpet-bomb' Isis - michaelsean - 02-02-2016 (02-02-2016, 01:04 PM)oncemoreuntothejimbreech Wrote: Unless those orders are illegal or immoral, then your job is to counsel the idiot giving the illegal/immoral order. And if they can't be dissuaded from giving an illegal/immoral order then your job is to disobey them. This is Into to Soldiering 101. That's a pretty tough one to win isn't it? The refusing illegal or immoral orders I mean. RE: US military commander in Iraq and Syria rejects GOP pledges to 'carpet-bomb' Isis - McC - 02-02-2016 (02-02-2016, 01:08 PM)fredtoast Wrote: 90% of the violence is Shia Muslim against Sunni Muslim. That's a big problem because we're never gonna do either of those things. Plus, it seems like it's gone too far for it to stop. In the Jihadists' minds, only our elimination would end it. Seems like they want all Christians off the face of the earth. We are not the only country they attack. RE: US military commander in Iraq and Syria rejects GOP pledges to 'carpet-bomb' Isis - GMDino - 02-02-2016 (02-02-2016, 01:13 PM)XenoMorph Wrote: at which point the higher ups would have him arrested and replaced. his moral conscience would be clean. but the end result would be the same. moot. And I don't think even if the president went on live television and demanded we do such a thing that he would take that as an "order" and just do it. RE: US military commander in Iraq and Syria rejects GOP pledges to 'carpet-bomb' Isis - Vas Deferens - 02-02-2016 (02-02-2016, 01:18 PM)McC Wrote: That's a big problem because we're never gonna do either of those things. Plus, it seems like it's gone too far for it to stop. In the Jihadists' minds, only our elimination would end it. Seems like they want all Christians off the face of the earth. We are not the only country they attack. Jihadist's wouldn't have the financial support and willing foot soldiers if we stopped killing civilians and supporting Isreal's wretched occupation and general war crimes. ...But that wouldn't be great for raytheon stock RE: US military commander in Iraq and Syria rejects GOP pledges to 'carpet-bomb' Isis - McC - 02-02-2016 (02-02-2016, 01:33 PM)Vas Deferens Wrote: Jihadist's wouldn't have the financial support and willing foot soldiers if we stopped killing civilians and supporting Isreal's wretched occupation and general war crimes. The problem with that is that our enemies choose to surround themselves with civilians. And, last I checked, killing civilians is their basic MO. I can't buy that we're the only bad guys here, like you apparently do. |