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Oklahoma Legislature passes bill criminalizing abortion - GMDino - 05-19-2016 http://www.cnn.com/2016/05/19/politics/oklahoma-abortion-criminalization/index.html Quote:The Oklahoma state legislature has passed a bill that would criminalize abortion procedures in the state. According to the language of the bill, anyone who is found to have performed an abortion -- except in instances to save the life of the mother -- will be found guilty of a felony and can receive up to three years in prison. RE: Oklahoma Legislature passes bill criminalizing abortion - BmorePat87 - 05-19-2016 That won't last long. RE: Oklahoma Legislature passes bill criminalizing abortion - Rotobeast - 05-19-2016 Hmm.... more misdirection ? Or.... just play to their base chest-thumping ? RE: Oklahoma Legislature passes bill criminalizing abortion - Belsnickel - 05-20-2016 (05-19-2016, 09:53 PM)Rotobeast Wrote: Hmm.... more misdirection ? It's an election year, so the latter. RE: Oklahoma Legislature passes bill criminalizing abortion - Au165 - 05-20-2016 There should be penalties for blatantly unconstitutional legislation that does nothing but waste tax payers money. This is the legislative equivalent to a frivolous lawsuit. RE: Oklahoma Legislature passes bill criminalizing abortion - Belsnickel - 05-20-2016 (05-20-2016, 09:46 AM)Au165 Wrote: There should be penalties for blatantly unconstitutional legislation that does nothing but waste tax payers money. This is the legislative equivalent to a frivolous lawsuit. I disagree, and here is why. While I think this is a pointless move they do have the intention of taking this to the courts in an effort to approach the argument in Roe v. Wade another way, essentially getting the court to overturn the decision. Do I think it's wrong and pointless and a waste? Yes, but not everyone does. Also, a blanket way of approaching that would be far too ambiguous. How do we determine what is really a waste and what is not? RE: Oklahoma Legislature passes bill criminalizing abortion - Au165 - 05-20-2016 (05-20-2016, 09:52 AM)Belsnickel Wrote: I disagree, and here is why. While I think this is a pointless move they do have the intention of taking this to the courts in an effort to approach the argument in Roe v. Wade another way, essentially getting the court to overturn the decision. Do I think it's wrong and pointless and a waste? Yes, but not everyone does. Also, a blanket way of approaching that would be far too ambiguous. How do we determine what is really a waste and what is not? There are already laws for frivolous lawsuits where judges determine what a waste of time is. This law goes directly in the face of a legal precedent that is already set at the highest level. It is pretty easy to see that if abortions are legal, making providing an abortion illegal is not going to stand. This whole game legislatures are playing where they think they can "out semantics" the courts is embarrassing. RE: Oklahoma Legislature passes bill criminalizing abortion - Belsnickel - 05-20-2016 (05-20-2016, 10:14 AM)Au165 Wrote: There are already laws for frivolous lawsuits where judges determine what a waste of time is. This law goes directly in the face of a legal precedent that is already set at the highest level. It is pretty easy to see that if abortions are legal, making providing an abortion illegal is not going to stand. This whole game legislatures are playing where they think they can "out semantics" the courts is embarrassing. So the difference is that (in theory) the legislature is acting in the interest of their constituency, which is a lot different than a lawsuit brought because you hurt yourself with a product because of your own stupidity or something. I get what you're saying, and I agree it is embarrassing, but I don't feel like this would be a rabbit hole we would want to go down. We are in a republic and legislatures are our elected representatives. Like their decisions or not, taking away their ability to attempt things like this actually reduces the power of the representatives branch of our government and thus the people. RE: Oklahoma Legislature passes bill criminalizing abortion - bfine32 - 05-20-2016 Didn't we have this exact same thread a few months back? Because I remember asking the same question: If a state wants to outlaw abortions of convenience and challenge Roe v. Wade what other option do they have? RE: Oklahoma Legislature passes bill criminalizing abortion - GMDino - 05-20-2016 (05-20-2016, 11:37 AM)bfine32 Wrote: Didn't we have this exact same thread a few months back? Because I remember asking the same question: If a state wants to outlaw abortions of convenience and challenge Roe v. Wade what other option do they have? To allow abortions as they are and not assume women are partying on the way down to the clinic? Luckily everything is OK is tied to the abortion epidemic. Solve that one problem and suddenly life there will completely turn around for everyone. RE: Oklahoma Legislature passes bill criminalizing abortion - bfine32 - 05-20-2016 (05-20-2016, 11:40 AM)GMDino Wrote: To allow abortions as they are and not assume women are partying on the way down to the clinic? So much for asking a legitimate question without someone pulling out their soapbox. RE: Oklahoma Legislature passes bill criminalizing abortion - PhilHos - 05-20-2016 I hope the Governor signs this into law. The abomination that is abortion should be eliminated from our society. RE: Oklahoma Legislature passes bill criminalizing abortion - Au165 - 05-20-2016 (05-20-2016, 12:17 PM)PhilHos Wrote: I hope the Governor signs this into law. The abomination that is abortion should be eliminated from our society. The only abomination will be the amount of money wasted as they eventually deem it to be unconstitutional. RE: Oklahoma Legislature passes bill criminalizing abortion - PhilHos - 05-20-2016 (05-20-2016, 12:20 PM)Au165 Wrote: The only abomination will be the amount of money wasted as they eventually deem it to be unconstitutional. Trying to save lives is NEVER an abomination no matter HOW much money is "wasted". RE: Oklahoma Legislature passes bill criminalizing abortion - Au165 - 05-20-2016 (05-20-2016, 12:22 PM)PhilHos Wrote: Trying to save lives is NEVER an abomination no matter HOW much money is "wasted". Yea, that just goes into the whole "when is it a life" debate and I'm not really interested in doing that right now. No none wins and it just goes round and round. RE: Oklahoma Legislature passes bill criminalizing abortion - GMDino - 05-20-2016 (05-20-2016, 12:00 PM)bfine32 Wrote: So much for asking a legitimate question without someone pulling out their soapbox. What was legitimate about your question? That you want to know how a state can ban abortions legally? They can't. Next. RE: Oklahoma Legislature passes bill criminalizing abortion - Sociopathicsteelerfan - 05-20-2016 (05-20-2016, 12:22 PM)PhilHos Wrote: Trying to save lives is NEVER an abomination no matter HOW much money is "wasted". So we should appeal the second amendment as well, correct? How about lowering the speed limit to 40 mph? We could outlaw alcohol and tobacco too. All of these would save lives so I assume you're for all of them. RE: Oklahoma Legislature passes bill criminalizing abortion - Au165 - 05-20-2016 (05-20-2016, 12:41 PM)Sociopathicsteelerfan Wrote: So we should appeal the second amendment as well, correct? How about lowering the speed limit to 40 mph? We could outlaw alcohol and tobacco too. All of these would save lives so I assume you're for all of them. See this is why I didn't want to go down this path haha. RE: Oklahoma Legislature passes bill criminalizing abortion - Sociopathicsteelerfan - 05-20-2016 (05-20-2016, 12:43 PM)Au165 Wrote: See this is why I didn't want to go down this path haha. Oh, and football too. Banning football would undeniably save lives. See, I like Phil, but his argument, and all others like them, are based in their religious beliefs. I don't want legislation decided by anyone's religious beliefs, ever. RE: Oklahoma Legislature passes bill criminalizing abortion - bfine32 - 05-20-2016 (05-20-2016, 12:37 PM)GMDino Wrote: What was legitimate about your question? Perhaps someone that can read and has an informed opinion will chime in. Thanks. |