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Interesting take on policing in the UK vs the US - GMDino - 07-12-2016 And yes, it from a comedy site so remember that. But also remember it from a person who is doing the job. http://www.cracked.com/personal-experiences-2353-i-was-cop-in-country-with-no-guns-6-startling-truths.html RE: Interesting take on policing in the UK vs the US - Belsnickel - 07-12-2016 That was bloody great. RE: Interesting take on policing in the UK vs the US - GMDino - 07-12-2016 (07-12-2016, 02:34 PM)Belsnickel Wrote: That was bloody great. I really like that they try and calm the situation down first. I've been in a couple situations (one in a former work place) that simply by talking calmly I was able to diffuse something could have gotten very bad very quickly. RE: Interesting take on policing in the UK vs the US - Belsnickel - 07-12-2016 (07-12-2016, 02:47 PM)GMDino Wrote: I really like that they try and calm the situation down first. Talk is always the first line, and from what I understand it is here as well. RE: Interesting take on policing in the UK vs the US - GMDino - 07-12-2016 (07-12-2016, 02:49 PM)Belsnickel Wrote: Talk is always the first line, and from what I understand it is here as well. But if you know you can't fall back on a gun, and more than likely the other person can't either, it seems talking works better. RE: Interesting take on policing in the UK vs the US - Millhouse - 07-12-2016 It would be idealistic for our street cops not carry a firearm. Wont argue that. But there are just to many illegal & legal guns out there, especially illegal guns in the urban areas among gangs & average street thugs can get their hands on. Sadly, we are too big of a country to really do much about it. I truly believe until core issues are seriously addressed in impoverished areas where the crime/murder rates are the highest, none of what is going on will go away anytime soon. RE: Interesting take on policing in the UK vs the US - GMDino - 07-12-2016 (07-12-2016, 04:04 PM)Millhouse Wrote: It would be idealistic for our street cops not carry a firearm. Wont argue that. But there are just to many illegal & legal guns out there, especially illegal guns in the urban areas among gangs & average street thugs can get their hands on. Sadly, we are too big of a country to really do much about it. I truly believe until core issues are seriously addressed in impoverished areas where the crime/murder rates are the highest, none of what is going on will go away anytime soon. No doubt we have a love of guns problem here in the US. RE: Interesting take on policing in the UK vs the US - Sociopathicsteelerfan - 07-12-2016 (07-12-2016, 04:16 PM)GMDino Wrote: No doubt we have a love of drugs problem here in the US. FTFY. Gun ownership has climbed significantly in the last ten yeas while violent crime has dropped every single one of those ten years. If there was a direct gun ownership to gun crime corollary why did it not express itself? Better yet, why did the exact opposite occur? Sadly, around 80% of gun related homicides can be directly traced to violence related to the drug trade. Legalize drugs, tax them, dry up the financial incentive and that crime will largely disappear. It worked in The Wire. ![]() RE: Interesting take on policing in the UK vs the US - GMDino - 07-12-2016 (07-12-2016, 09:17 PM)Sociopathicsteelerfan Wrote: FTFY. Gun ownership has climbed significantly in the last ten yeas while violent crime has dropped every single one of those ten years. If there was a direct gun ownership to gun crime corollary why did it not express itself? Better yet, why did the exact opposite occur? Sadly, around 80% of gun related homicides can be directly traced to violence related to the drug trade. Legalize drugs, tax them, dry up the financial incentive and that crime will largely disappear. It worked in The Wire. ![]() (07-12-2016, 04:16 PM)GMDino Wrote: No doubt we have a love of guns problem here in the US. But thanks for "fixing" it, I guess? Now go back and re-read the thread. It is about how the lack of guns leads to better endings for situations due to a lack of fear that the other guy has a gun. btw, I agree on legalizing drugs. I disagree that we'd stop shooting each other over something else stupid just because we can. But while I'm here: http://www.factcheck.org/2015/10/gun-laws-deaths-and-crimes/ Quote:President Barack Obama claimed that “states with the most gun laws tend to have the fewest gun deaths.” Republican presidential candidate Carly Fiorina, meanwhile, has made nearly the opposite claim, saying states with stringent gun control laws have “the highest gun crime rates in the nation.” It would appear most gun related deaths are self inflicted. Yay? https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/wonk/wp/2014/08/19/alcohol-is-still-the-deadliest-drug-in-the-united-states-and-its-not-even-close/ Quote:Which intoxicating substance is associated with the most lethal violence? Devotees of the Wire might presume that cocaine or maybe heroin would top the list, especially if you asked the worst causes of violence in poor, minority communities. RE: Interesting take on policing in the UK vs the US - Sociopathicsteelerfan - 07-12-2016 (07-12-2016, 10:21 PM)GMDino Wrote: Now go back and re-read the thread. It is about how the lack of guns leads to better endings for situations due to a lack of fear that the other guy has a gun. If everyone was a millionaire then crimes would drop as well. Neither is going to actually happen. Quote:btw, I agree on legalizing drugs. I disagree that we'd stop shooting each other over something else stupid just because we can. Entirely, no. At a much lower rate, yes. Quote:It would appear most gun related deaths are self inflicted. Yay?No argument for gun control is more inane that suicide by firearm. The US is 50th in the world for suicide rate, behind such gun control utopias as S. Korea (2nd), Japan (17th), Finland (33rd), Belgium (34th) and France (47th). Please explain how all these people manage to kill themselves without all those firearms. RE: Interesting take on policing in the UK vs the US - GMDino - 07-12-2016 (07-12-2016, 10:48 PM)Sociopathicsteelerfan Wrote: No argument for gun control is more inane that suicide by firearm. The US is 50th in the world for suicide rate, behind such gun control utopias as S. Korea (2nd), Japan (17th), Finland (33rd), Belgium (34th) and France (47th). Please explain how all these people manage to kill themselves without all those firearms. Which has nothing to do with the statistic that 63% of firearm deaths were suicides. But maybe if you want to have a discussion on the suicide rate overall you can start another thread because there are a multitude of reasons FOR committing suicide...and in the US we seem to prefer to do with guns. RE: Interesting take on policing in the UK vs the US - michaelsean - 07-12-2016 (07-12-2016, 11:01 PM)GMDino Wrote: Which has nothing to do with the statistic that 63% of firearm deaths were suicides. People use guns because it's quick and painless, but if they didn't have guns they would find another way like they do in Korea, France etc. Including suicides when talking about guncontrol is ridiculous. RE: Interesting take on policing in the UK vs the US - Sociopathicsteelerfan - 07-12-2016 (07-12-2016, 11:01 PM)GMDino Wrote: Which has nothing to do with the statistic that 63% of firearm deaths were suicides. (07-12-2016, 11:11 PM)michaelsean Wrote: People use guns because it's quick and painless, but if they didn't have guns they would find another way like they do in Korea, France etc. Including suicides when talking about guncontrol is ridiculous. Shh, he's being disingenuous again. He tends to react that way when he can't directly address a point being made. GMDabo mode. RE: Interesting take on policing in the UK vs the US - GMDino - 07-13-2016 (07-12-2016, 11:11 PM)michaelsean Wrote: People use guns because it's quick and painless, but if they didn't have guns they would find another way like they do in Korea, France etc. Including suicides when talking about guncontrol is ridiculous. Which reinforces we have a love of guns problem in this country. I wasn't talking about gun control...at all. I was opining that where the do not have as many guns the police handle things differently and usually with less violence. SSF blamed drugs...which, again, had nothing to do with the story in post one. But don't tell SSF...he'll "fix" it for you. RE: Interesting take on policing in the UK vs the US - GMDino - 07-13-2016 (07-12-2016, 11:21 PM)Sociopathicsteelerfan Wrote: Shh, he's being disingenuous again. He tends to react that way when he can't directly address a point being made. GMDabo mode. Bad day pushing paper? Those are tough on me sometimes too. I'm just sticking with the topic of post one...not "fixing" posts to change the subject. If you want to talk about how drugs influence violent crime (pssst...alcohol is worse) or anything else feel free to in another thread. RE: Interesting take on policing in the UK vs the US - Sociopathicsteelerfan - 07-13-2016 (07-13-2016, 09:03 AM)GMDino Wrote: Which reinforces we have a love of guns problem in this country. You weren't talking about gun control? Like I said, disingenuous. Quote:SSF blamed drugs...which, again, had nothing to do with the story in post one. Translation, SSF says what he really thinks instead of obfuscating and hiding behind a thin veneer of BS. I also offer potential solutions instead of lamenting our current status in a sadly maudlin display like others I might mention. (07-13-2016, 09:05 AM)GMDino Wrote: Bad day pushing paper? Those are tough on me sometimes too. We are staying on topic. You brought this up to discuss your two favorite subjects. I simply obliged you. I'm accommodating that way. Quote:If you want to talk about how drugs influence violent crime (pssst...alcohol is worse) or anything else feel free to in another thread. You make this so easy I honestly feel bad sometimes. Is violent crime related to alcohol consumption (which btw thanks to tipping me off to this, it's brand new information to me) due to the drugs consumption or it's sale? Now ask yourself the same question about every illegal drug. With the exception of PCP the answer should, if you're not being disingenuous, make the point clear to you. BTW, who's changing the topic now? RE: Interesting take on policing in the UK vs the US - GMDino - 07-13-2016 (07-13-2016, 10:29 AM)Sociopathicsteelerfan Wrote: You weren't talking about gun control? Like I said, disingenuous. Nope. Was talking about how the lack of guns affects the way the police are trained and how they handle situations differently. Would it be nice to be that way here? Absolutely. But in no way did I, or have I ever, championed "gun control'. That's just a tic from some people anytime guns are mentioned in any context other than "guns are good". (07-13-2016, 10:29 AM)Sociopathicsteelerfan Wrote: Translation, SSF says what he really thinks instead of obfuscating and hiding behind a thin veneer of BS. I also offer potential solutions instead of lamenting our current status in a sadly maudlin display like others I might mention. Oh you can say whatever you think...but it had little to nothing to do with the topic at hand. (07-13-2016, 10:29 AM)Sociopathicsteelerfan Wrote: We are staying on topic. You brought this up to discuss your two favorite subjects. I simply obliged you. I'm accommodating that way. By changing it to "drugs are bad" from "UK police are trained differently and there is less violence"? (07-13-2016, 10:29 AM)Sociopathicsteelerfan Wrote: You make this so easy I honestly feel bad sometimes. Is violent crime related to alcohol consumption (which btw thanks to tipping me off to this, it's brand new information to me) due to the drugs consumption or it's sale? Now ask yourself the same question about every illegal drug. With the exception of PCP the answer should, if you're not being disingenuous, make the point clear to you. BTW, who's changing the topic now? So you're going to double down and blame the alcohol causing more violent crime on drugs. And you think *I* am disingenuous. That's funny. And unlike you. My concern over you having all these bad days is just one human being caring about another's state of mind. It is not the "subject" of this thread. Just like drugs weren't. Have a great day! RE: Interesting take on policing in the UK vs the US - SteelCitySouth - 07-13-2016 (07-12-2016, 09:17 PM)Sociopathicsteelerfan Wrote: FTFY. Gun ownership has climbed significantly in the last ten yeas while violent crime has dropped every single one of those ten years. If there was a direct gun ownership to gun crime corollary why did it not express itself? Better yet, why did the exact opposite occur? Sadly, around 80% of gun related homicides can be directly traced to violence related to the drug trade. Legalize drugs, tax them, dry up the financial incentive and that crime will largely disappear. It worked in The Wire. Never watched the wire but this seems to be holding in Colorado. RE: Interesting take on policing in the UK vs the US - Sociopathicsteelerfan - 07-13-2016 (07-13-2016, 10:49 AM)GMDino Wrote: Nope. Was talking about how the lack of guns affects the way the police are trained and how they handle situations differently. Would it be nice to be that way here? Absolutely. But in no way did I, or have I ever, championed "gun control'. So this statement, plus, we love us some guns in America, doesn't equal a thread about guns and the benefits of not having them in our society? The logic pretzels you tie yourself into are amazing. Quote:Oh you can say whatever you think...but it had little to nothing to do with the topic at hand. Except literally in this post you said it did. Your topic, by your own admission, is that a lack of guns equals a better environment. You then doubled down with the US loves it's guns comment. Pointing out that the vast majority of gun related homicides are caused by the drug trade is a perfectly reasonable counter response to those not in need of medical attention. Quote:By changing it to "drugs are bad" from "UK police are trained differently and there is less violence"? Wait, I thought you just said it was the lack of guns that enabled this training. Let me scroll up about three lines. Yup, that's exactly what you said. Quote:So you're going to double down and blame the alcohol causing more violent crime on drugs. Hahaha, you have a serious reading comprehension problem hermano. Quote:And you think *I* am disingenuous. That's funny. And unlike you. I do think you're disingenuous, because you consistently demonstrate this quality. You also just exhibited a disturbing lack of skill in regards to the English language. Hopefully that's more of a one off. RE: Interesting take on policing in the UK vs the US - GMDino - 07-13-2016 (07-13-2016, 11:06 AM)Sociopathicsteelerfan Wrote: So this statement, plus, we love us some guns in America, doesn't equal a thread about guns and the benefits of not having them in our society? The logic pretzels you tie yourself into are amazing. They are both true statements. And the post, as cited in the title of the thread is about policing differences between the two countries as described in the article. A lack of fear of guns is part of the article. What it does not equal is a post about "gun control". Which I have never championed...but you can choose to believe differently. (07-13-2016, 11:06 AM)Sociopathicsteelerfan Wrote: Except literally in this post you said it did. Your topic, by your own admission, is that a lack of guns equals a better environment. You then doubled down with the US loves it's guns comment. Pointing out that the vast majority of gun related homicides are caused by the drug trade is a perfectly reasonable counter response to those not in need of medical attention. OH, SSF...you are funny. By "my own admission" I said in a country with many fewer guns the police are trained differently. And an emphasis on dealing with suspects as people is greater. And we do have a love of guns in this country. That statement just set off your tic about "gun control". (07-13-2016, 11:06 AM)Sociopathicsteelerfan Wrote: Wait, I thought you just said it was the lack of guns that enabled this training. Let me scroll up about three lines. Yup, that's exactly what you said. And? Oh! You think that kind of training can't be done UNLESS there is a lack of guns? Weird. I didn't know everything was either/or with you. (07-13-2016, 11:06 AM)Sociopathicsteelerfan Wrote: Hahaha, you have a serious reading comprehension problem hermano. Well, maybe you can explain how you saying: Quote:Is violent crime related to alcohol consumption (which btw thanks to tipping me off to this, it's brand new information to me) due to the drugs consumption or it's sale? ...not you saying drug consumption or drug sales are behind the alcohol behind the violent crime. (07-13-2016, 11:06 AM)Sociopathicsteelerfan Wrote: I do think you're disingenuous, because you consistently demonstrate this quality. You also just exhibited a disturbing lack of skill in regards to the English language. Hopefully that's more of a one off. I think you think because I disagree with your points, or more likely because you think you are always right, I am disingenuous when I ask questions or have a more flexible view of things. For example I do think less guns would be a good thing. I do not think we need more laws to have more gun control in this country. I do think better training on how to deal with people for officers would be a good thing. I do not think that would solve all the problems. You can think about things in more than one way sometimes. And that apparently means to some that if you aren't rock solid in your beliefs at every moment you are serious. Funny. |