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Target stores adding bathrooms - Rotobeast - 08-18-2016 I'm surprised we haven't went with private bathrooms, everywhere. That would end the hoopla. http://m.startribune.com/target-will-spend-20-million-to-add-single-private-restrooms-to-stores/390474791/ Quote:BUSINESS Sent from my SM-S820L using Tapatalk RE: Target stores adding bathrooms - bfine32 - 08-18-2016 I totally agree that a seperate unisex facility should be a reasonable accomidation; unfortunately, there are those that see this as discrimination. RE: Target stores adding bathrooms - Rotobeast - 08-18-2016 (08-18-2016, 01:40 PM)bfine32 Wrote: I totally agree that a seperate unisex facility should be a reasonable accomidation; unfortunately, there are those that see this as discrimination.The way I read it, it seems the private facility is for the transgender-phobic. Sent from my SM-S820L using Tapatalk RE: Target stores adding bathrooms - GMDino - 08-18-2016 (08-18-2016, 02:02 PM)Rotobeast Wrote: The way I read it, it seems the private facility is for the transgender-phobic. And only 300 stores needed to be changed over? I bet some people will still complain even though they got their way. ![]() RE: Target stores adding bathrooms - Rotobeast - 08-18-2016 (08-18-2016, 02:08 PM)GMDino Wrote: And only 300 stores needed to be changed over?Did they get their way ? I'm going to go out on a limb and say they wanted policy change. I think the additional options are a more than reasonable accommodation for either concerned pary. I don't think anyone got their way though. Sent from my SM-S820L using Tapatalk RE: Target stores adding bathrooms - bfine32 - 08-18-2016 (08-18-2016, 02:02 PM)Rotobeast Wrote: The way I read it, it seems the private facility is for the transgender-phobic. I would assume it would be for whomever wishes to use it. RE: Target stores adding bathrooms - Rotobeast - 08-18-2016 (08-18-2016, 02:35 PM)bfine32 Wrote: I would assume it would be for whomever wishes to use it.You are correct. My assumption was ill-conceived. Reading that they were installed to appease critics and provide comfortable accommodations does not designate who is to use what facility. Thank you for correcting my misinterpretation. Sent from my SM-S820L using Tapatalk RE: Target stores adding bathrooms - fredtoast - 08-18-2016 (08-18-2016, 01:40 PM)bfine32 Wrote: I totally agree that a seperate unisex facility should be a reasonable accomidation; unfortunately, there are those that see this as discrimination. It is not discrimination unless transgender people are forced to use the separate unisex facility, and that is not what is happening here. The private restrooms are not for the transgenders. They are for people afraid of transgender people using the same restroom as them RE: Target stores adding bathrooms - bfine32 - 08-18-2016 (08-18-2016, 02:53 PM)fredtoast Wrote: It is not discrimination unless transgender people are forced to use the separate unisex facility, and that is not what is happening here. So the transgender-phobe is being discriminated against? RE: Target stores adding bathrooms - Belsnickel - 08-18-2016 (08-18-2016, 02:53 PM)fredtoast Wrote: It is not discrimination unless transgender people are forced to use the separate unisex facility, and that is not what is happening here. I'd say they are for anyone that wants to use the bathroom in private for whatever reason. Whether it be a trans person trying to avoid harassment, or someone that doesn't like the idea of sharing a bathroom with a trans person, or a family trying to wrangle little ones, or a handicapped person that may have difficulties even in an ADA stall, or whomever. Long and short of it is that single seater unisex restrooms being available are a good option to have around. RE: Target stores adding bathrooms - Rotobeast - 08-18-2016 (08-18-2016, 02:53 PM)fredtoast Wrote: The private restrooms are not for the transgenders. They are for people afraid of transgender people using the same restroom as them That was the mistake I made, reading the article. It does seem to come off that way, but they are labeled "Family Restrooms", and transgenders have families too. Sent from my SM-S820L using Tapatalk RE: Target stores adding bathrooms - RICHMONDBENGAL_07 - 08-18-2016 (08-18-2016, 02:59 PM)Belsnickel Wrote: I'd say they are for anyone that wants to use the bathroom in private for whatever reason. Whether it be a trans person trying to avoid harassment, or someone that doesn't like the idea of sharing a bathroom with a trans person, or a family trying to wrangle little ones, or a handicapped person that may have difficulties even in an ADA stall, or whomever. Pretty much how I viewed it as well. RE: Target stores adding bathrooms - fredtoast - 08-18-2016 (08-18-2016, 02:59 PM)Belsnickel Wrote: I'd say they are for anyone that wants to use the bathroom in private for whatever reason. Whether it be a trans person trying to avoid harassment, or someone that doesn't like the idea of sharing a bathroom with a trans person, or a family trying to wrangle little ones, or a handicapped person that may have difficulties even in an ADA stall, or whomever. I agree. I was just disagreeing with Bfines claim that anyone would call this new plan by Target "discrimination". The only way people would call it discrimination is if the new restrooms were just for transgenders. RE: Target stores adding bathrooms - fredtoast - 08-18-2016 (08-18-2016, 02:58 PM)bfine32 Wrote: So the transgender-phobe is being discriminated against? No. They are free to use either restroom. RE: Target stores adding bathrooms - bfine32 - 08-18-2016 (08-18-2016, 03:13 PM)fredtoast Wrote: No. They are free to use either restroom. Oh, I thought you said it was for certain folks. WTS, Target is a private company and IMO can do whatever they wish with their bathrooms and other facilities. The contention of reasonable accomidation comes more when we start having to fight this in public facilities such as schools and government buildings. A third unisex facility will be/is a reasonable accomidation, the rub comes which party is being accomidated on based on policy. If public policy is use facility you identify with, the the third facility would be for those that do not want to share facilities with the other sex. If public policy is use the facility that matches your biological sex; then the accomidation is for those that do not want to share facilities with the other gender. In either case a person has the legal choice of 2 facilities. If you think having to use a third facility to make you more comfortable will not be grounds for someone to cry discrimination; then as usual, we disagree. RE: Target stores adding bathrooms - fredtoast - 08-19-2016 (08-18-2016, 03:20 PM)bfine32 Wrote: If public policy is use facility you identify with, the the third facility would be for those that do not want to share facilities with the other sex. If public policy is use the facility that matches your biological sex; then the accomidation is for those that do not want to share facilities with the other gender. In either case a person has the legal choice of 2 facilities. You are comparing apples to oranges. In one instance a person is forbidden by law to use the facility that they want to. In the other instance everyone is free to use which ever facility they want to.. You can't cry "discrimination" when you are not forbidden to use the facility that you want to and just choose not to use it. RE: Target stores adding bathrooms - bfine32 - 08-19-2016 (08-19-2016, 02:41 PM)fredtoast Wrote: You are comparing apples to oranges. We shouldn't always base our laws on wants (comfort) RE: Target stores adding bathrooms - fredtoast - 08-19-2016 (08-19-2016, 02:48 PM)bfine32 Wrote: We shouldn't always base our laws on wants (comfort) I agree. No ones rights should be limited unless they interfere with the rights of another person. That is why everyone should have the right to use whatever restroom they identify with. No need to restrict anyone's rights when they are not interfering with the rights of other people. RE: Target stores adding bathrooms - bfine32 - 08-19-2016 (08-19-2016, 02:55 PM)fredtoast Wrote: I agree. No ones rights should be limited unless they interfere with the rights of another person. Everyone should be free to use the facility that matches their biological sex. No need to restrict anyone's rights when they are not interfering with the rights of other people. RE: Target stores adding bathrooms - fredtoast - 08-19-2016 (08-19-2016, 03:20 PM)bfine32 Wrote: Everyone should be free to use the facility that matches their biological sex. No need to restrict anyone's rights when they are not interfering with the rights of other people. Everyone is ALREADY free to use the bathroom that matches their biological sex. No one is trying to change that at all. Allowing transgender people to use the bathroom they identify with does not restrict the rights of people to use the bathroom of their biological sex. You don't even understand what we are talking about. |