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1 day, 2 shootings in spotlight: - GMDino - 09-20-2016 http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation/2016/09/19/1-day-2-shootings-spotlight-terence-crutchers-death-prompts-outcry/90721356/ Quote:A terror suspect caught up in a gunfight with officers is brought into custody alive, yet an unarmed black man whose car stalled on the road days earlier is shot dead. RE: 1 day, 2 shootings in spotlight: - Vas Deferens - 09-20-2016 ***** gross. What were they all bent out of shape about working up to this? Kind of seemed like one of their guns just went off on accident. WHY THE **** ARE YOU POINTING IT AT SOMEONE YOURE NOT READY TO KILL?! RE: 1 day, 2 shootings in spotlight: - BmorePat87 - 09-20-2016 "He was acting erratically". So you taser him and then kill him as he leans against his car with his hands up. RE: 1 day, 2 shootings in spotlight: - Vas Deferens - 09-20-2016 (09-20-2016, 10:20 AM)BmorePat87 Wrote: "He was acting erratically". That dumb fat ***** hobble-scooting over to him with a gun drawn was the one 'acting erratically' RE: 1 day, 2 shootings in spotlight: - Sociopathicsteelerfan - 09-20-2016 I'm going to have to go with there being more to this story then we currently have. Unfortunately you can't see what immediately precipitated the shooting as the officers were in the way. As an aside, the fact that the terror suspect was captured alive doesn't mean shit, he shot a cop and they returned fire. Please trust that they weren't intending to hit him in the arm. RE: 1 day, 2 shootings in spotlight: - Au165 - 09-20-2016 The Tulsa shooting should result in murder charges against whoever fired on him. The NYC guy not getting killed is unrelated and completely different as pointed out above. Trying to draw comparisons between the two is ridiculous. RE: 1 day, 2 shootings in spotlight: - Sociopathicsteelerfan - 09-20-2016 (09-20-2016, 11:13 AM)Au165 Wrote: The Tulsa shooting should result in murder charges against whoever fired on him. The NYC guy not getting killed is unrelated and completely different as pointed out above. Trying to draw comparisons between the two is ridiculous. But they bought Dylann Roof a cheeseburger! RE: 1 day, 2 shootings in spotlight: - GMDino - 09-20-2016 (09-20-2016, 11:04 AM)Sociopathicsteelerfan Wrote: I'm going to have to go with there being more to this story then we currently have. Unfortunately you can't see what immediately precipitated the shooting as the officers were in the way. As an aside, the fact that the terror suspect was captured alive doesn't mean shit, he shot a cop and they returned fire. Please trust that they weren't intending to hit him in the arm. Really. I'm stunned. ![]() RE: 1 day, 2 shootings in spotlight: - PhilHos - 09-20-2016 I have some questions: Why was he originally by the police car? Why was a gun drawn on him in the first place? Why was he forced to walk to his vehicle with his arms raised and then apparently told to put his hands on the car? What changes to the narrative would be made if the shooting was due to an "accidental discharge"? Why are people acting outraged as if this cop has already gotten off scott free? Cop kills unarmed, seemingly non-threatening man with seemingly no provocation. Okay. And if the cop is arrested and charged with murder or manslaughter? Will your outrage still be there? I can understand if all that happens is the cop is fired and that's it. Then the outrage is justified, but can we at least wait and see if justice will be done before crying that justice isn't being done? RE: 1 day, 2 shootings in spotlight: - fredtoast - 09-20-2016 (09-20-2016, 11:37 AM)PhilHos Wrote: I have some questions: I think the point is that if you shoot and kill some one in front of a lot of police then you should already be in jail. Seems like this officer is getting special treatment. RE: 1 day, 2 shootings in spotlight: - PhilHos - 09-20-2016 (09-20-2016, 11:59 AM)fredtoast Wrote: I think the point is that if you shoot and kill some one in front of a lot of police then you should already be in jail. Officer-related crimes ARE treated differently than civilian-committed crimes, usually. But, with that said, if the justice system works and if this cop did murder this guy and goes to prison for it, then there should be no outrage. Well, a little outrage that a cop shot an unarmed man is warranted, but not the kind as if the cop was already exonerated before the system can even do anything. That's my point. RE: 1 day, 2 shootings in spotlight: - Sociopathicsteelerfan - 09-20-2016 (09-20-2016, 11:33 AM)GMDino Wrote: Really. I'm stunned. That someone would actually need all the facts before they make a decision. I can see why that would confuse you. (09-20-2016, 11:59 AM)fredtoast Wrote: I think the point is that if you shoot and kill some one in front of a lot of police then you should already be in jail. Derp. Yet another instance of you displaying an astounding level of ignorance about the criminal justice system. The use of lethal force is within the remit of a LEO's job. This being an indisputable fact any use of force needs to be investigated before criminal charges are filed. Arresting an LEO immediately after they shoot someone during the course of their duties would require an extraordinary amount of evidence that a crime occurred and not an LEO operating under the auspices of their job. Maybe you'll delete this entire post as well? RE: 1 day, 2 shootings in spotlight: - Aquapod770 - 09-20-2016 (09-20-2016, 11:13 AM)Au165 Wrote: The Tulsa shooting should result in murder charges against whoever fired on him. The NYC guy not getting killed is unrelated and completely different as pointed out above. Trying to draw comparisons between the two is ridiculous. This x1000000000000000000000 Faulty comparison is everyone's new favorite logical fallacy. RE: 1 day, 2 shootings in spotlight: - fredtoast - 09-20-2016 (09-20-2016, 12:14 PM)Sociopathicsteelerfan Wrote: Derp. Yet another instance of you displaying an astounding level of ignorance about the criminal justice system. The use of lethal force is within the remit of a LEO's job. This being an indisputable fact any use of force needs to be investigated before criminal charges are filed. Arresting an LEO immediately after they shoot someone during the course of their duties would require an extraordinary amount of evidence that a crime occurred and not an LEO operating under the auspices of their job. Maybe you'll delete this entire post as well? First of all let me say that I agree with you that there is a lot more to this than what the video showed. But when there are two clear videos of police shooting an unarmed man who is doing nothing threatening and is not even accused of being involved in any type of criminal activity then most of the public are going to feel that the officer should be in jail. All it takes is probable cause to make an arrest. They do not have to have proof enough to convict just to make an arrest. And with all the cases of police lying to protect guilty police officers you have to understand why the public feels this is another case of police feeling like they are "above the law" RE: 1 day, 2 shootings in spotlight: - Sovereign Nation - 09-20-2016 (09-20-2016, 11:22 AM)Sociopathicsteelerfan Wrote: But they bought Dylann Roof a cheeseburger! ![]() I hear this all the time as some type of proof about a rigged system. "They didn't shoot Roof!" These same people that say that we should give people the benefit of the doubt, jump to wanting Roof shot on sight. RE: 1 day, 2 shootings in spotlight: - Belsnickel - 09-20-2016 Unfortunately, it doesn't seem like from all the information out there that any of these officers were wearing body cameras and both videos give no clear view of what happened. The thing I am curious about more than anything is what precipitated the officer that fire the shots pulling her firearm to begin with. Lots of unanswered questions here, and something we will never know the full story of. RE: 1 day, 2 shootings in spotlight: - GMDino - 09-20-2016 (09-20-2016, 02:08 PM)Belsnickel Wrote: Unfortunately, it doesn't seem like from all the information out there that any of these officers were wearing body cameras and both videos give no clear view of what happened. The thing I am curious about more than anything is what precipitated the officer that fire the shots pulling her firearm to begin with. Lots of unanswered questions here, and something we will never know the full story of. Clearly the guy in the helicopter saw something... ![]() RE: 1 day, 2 shootings in spotlight: - GMDino - 09-20-2016 I can't find the original shooting story on USA Today right now, but this is close: Just in case anyone wants more details. http://www.npr.org/sections/thetwo-way/2016/09/20/494697359/after-police-killing-of-unarmed-man-tulsa-chief-promises-to-achieve-justice Quote:The video is disturbing and prompts many questions — and that's how the police see it. The family of Terence Crutcher, who was shot dead by police Friday, says the footage should lead to criminal charges against the officer who killed an unarmed man. RE: 1 day, 2 shootings in spotlight: - GMDino - 09-20-2016 A little more info. http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation/2016/09/20/aclu-tulsa-officer-shot-terence-crutcher-cold-blood/90728644/ Quote:Attorney Scott Wood, however, told the Tulsa World that the confrontation Friday had been underway for almost 2 minutes before video from a police helicopter and other officers' dashcams began to roll. The graphic video, released by police this week, shows Crutcher walking toward his SUV with his hands up and his back to multiple officers. RE: 1 day, 2 shootings in spotlight: - fredtoast - 09-20-2016 Clearly this guy was acting strangely for some reason. the question is did he do anything dangerous or threatening. Doesn't look like anything that justified use of deadly force. He probably was not the church going, well behaved college student that some claim he was, but it doesn't look like he did anything that justified him being shot. |