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Wisconsin Is Systematically Failing to Provide the Photo IDs Required to Vote in Nov - GMDino - 09-30-2016 https://www.thenation.com/article/wisconsin-is-systematically-failing-to-provide-the-photo-ids-required-to-vote-in-november/ Quote:Nine percent of registered voters in Wisconsin don’t have a valid voter ID and many are still struggling to get the documents they need to vote in November. It appears that Wisconsin is violating multiple court orders by not promptly giving eligible citizens free IDs or certificates for voting. This is particularly concerning, since early voting began this week in cities like Madison and Milwaukee and thousands of Wisconsinites are casting ballots. ![]() RE: Wisconsin Is Systematically Failing to Provide the Photo IDs Required to Vote in Nov - Benton - 10-01-2016 nothing says you're getting constitutional requirements like a press release written by the people restricting you from your rights RE: Wisconsin Is Systematically Failing to Provide the Photo IDs Required to Vote in Nov - JustWinBaby - 10-01-2016 Am I the only one who thinks it's racist to say requiring an ID to vote is racist? RE: Wisconsin Is Systematically Failing to Provide the Photo IDs Required to Vote in Nov - treee - 10-01-2016 (10-01-2016, 02:46 AM)JustWinBaby Wrote: Am I the only one who thinks it's racist to say requiring an ID to vote is racist?Voter ID laws are usually prejudiced against the less fortunate, whom are disproportionally minorities. RE: Wisconsin Is Systematically Failing to Provide the Photo IDs Required to Vote in Nov - JustWinBaby - 10-01-2016 (10-01-2016, 02:51 AM)treee Wrote: Voter ID laws are usually prejudiced against the less fortunate You really could have, and should have, stopped there. Other than it's not really prejudiced - you need an ID to buy liquor, you need an ID to cash a check.... RE: Wisconsin Is Systematically Failing to Provide the Photo IDs Required to Vote in Nov - GMDino - 10-01-2016 (10-01-2016, 02:46 AM)JustWinBaby Wrote: Am I the only one who thinks it's racist to say requiring an ID to vote is racist? (10-01-2016, 04:46 AM)JustWinBaby Wrote: You really could have, and should have, stopped there. And if the state said they would give you a free on if you did A+b+c and then they didn't that would still be wrong. All they do is change the wording and the rules but it is all aimed at making lower class citizens have a harder time to participate. RE: Wisconsin Is Systematically Failing to Provide the Photo IDs Required to Vote in Nov - BmorePat87 - 10-01-2016 (10-01-2016, 04:46 AM)JustWinBaby Wrote: You really could have, and should have, stopped there. There's no constitutional amendment that bans taxes on buying liquor or cashing checks, two things which are not rights. RE: Wisconsin Is Systematically Failing to Provide the Photo IDs Required to Vote in Nov - BmorePat87 - 10-01-2016 (10-01-2016, 02:51 AM)treee Wrote: Voter ID laws are usually prejudiced against the less fortunate, whom are disproportionally minorities. These are also strategies that were used for decades in American history to overtly deny voting rights to minorities. RE: Wisconsin Is Systematically Failing to Provide the Photo IDs Required to Vote in Nov - JustWinBaby - 10-01-2016 (10-01-2016, 11:10 AM)BmorePat87 Wrote: There's no constitutional amendment that bans taxes on buying liquor or cashing checks, two things which are not rights. No one says it's racist to ask for an ID to buy liquor or cash a check - but if you refused either service to someone because they are black you have some major legal problems headed your way. RE: Wisconsin Is Systematically Failing to Provide the Photo IDs Required to Vote in Nov - GMDino - 10-01-2016 (10-01-2016, 11:11 AM)BmorePat87 Wrote: These are also strategies that were used for decades in American history to overtly deny voting rights to minorities. Pffft. Was this during our lifetime?!?!?! Did *I* write those laws or enforce them?!?! ![]() RE: Wisconsin Is Systematically Failing to Provide the Photo IDs Required to Vote in Nov - treee - 10-02-2016 (10-01-2016, 04:46 AM)JustWinBaby Wrote: You really could have, and should have, stopped there. You did no refute my point just because you need an ID to do other things in life. Requiring an ID, unless made available without charge and conveniently, bars individuals from participating in the voting process. The individuals that are most affected by this are poor. Minorities are more likely to be poor. Therefor there is a correlation between voter ID requirements of most states and preventing minorities from voting. Also, I find your condescension quite hilarious. RE: Wisconsin Is Systematically Failing to Provide the Photo IDs Required to Vote in Nov - JustWinBaby - 10-02-2016 (10-02-2016, 12:54 AM)treee Wrote: You did no refute my point just because you need an ID to do other things in life. Requiring an ID, unless made available without charge and conveniently, bars individuals from participating in the voting process. The individuals that are most affected by this are poor. Minorities are more likely to be poor. Therefor there is a correlation between voter ID requirements of most states and preventing minorities from voting. It's the exact same thing with what I said. You're ignoring it because it destroys your argument. Needing an ID to cash a check, or even buy liquor, is a bigger and more immediate impact on the lives of the poor. But no one talks about it because the Democrat pollsters think making an ID about race rather than poverty equates to more votes. Call it for what it is - Repub pandering that there is mass voter fraud, and Dem pandering that it's to disenfranchise blacks. None of that is neither here nor there - you should have an ID. Funny thing is, there are at least as many poor white people as poor black people. Just a numbers game. So if this is racist, then the question would have to be why do poor white people have ID's and poor black people don't? RE: Wisconsin Is Systematically Failing to Provide the Photo IDs Required to Vote in Nov - treee - 10-02-2016 (10-02-2016, 05:05 AM)JustWinBaby Wrote: It's the exact same thing with what I said. You're ignoring it because it destroys your argument. What do you mean by this? Quote:Needing an ID to cash a check, or even buy liquor, is a bigger and more immediate impact on the lives of the poor. But no one talks about it because the Democrat pollsters think making an ID about race rather than poverty equates to more votes. It is not difficult to live without an ID. I've met people who have and they were normal just like you or I, they just didn't have an ID. Quote:Call it for what it is - Repub pandering that there is mass voter fraud, and Dem pandering that it's to disenfranchise blacks. None of that is neither here nor there - you should have an ID. You don't think it is odd that the amount of voter fraud up to this point is statistically negligible yet there are multiple states practically foaming at the mouth to get these laws through? Quote:Funny thing is, there are at least as many poor white people as poor black people. Just a numbers game. So if this is racist, then the question would have to be why do poor white people have ID's and poor black people don't? I guess it depends on what you define as poor. This census link shows that approximately 25 percent of African Americans are at or below the poverty line and just over 10 percent of whites are. RE: Wisconsin Is Systematically Failing to Provide the Photo IDs Required to Vote in Nov - JustWinBaby - 10-02-2016 (10-02-2016, 06:59 AM)treee Wrote: I guess it depends on what you define as poor. This census link shows that approximately 25 percent of African Americans are at or below the poverty line and just over 10 percent of whites are. Whites outnumber blacks 5 or 6 to 1. So there are more white people - almost twice as many - living below the poverty line than black people. So how exactly are voter ID laws specifically targeting blacks? RE: Wisconsin Is Systematically Failing to Provide the Photo IDs Required to Vote in Nov - treee - 10-02-2016 (10-02-2016, 08:37 PM)JustWinBaby Wrote: Whites outnumber blacks 5 or 6 to 1. So there are more white people - almost twice as many - living below the poverty line than black people. The laws are specifically targeting minorities because a higher percentage of every single minority is below the poverty line compared to whites. So while there are more poor white people in total, 1 in every 10 whites are "poor" whereas 1 in every 4 minorities are "poor" (on average). So voter ID laws affect minorities more in regards to the total percentage of their respective populations. RE: Wisconsin Is Systematically Failing to Provide the Photo IDs Required to Vote in Nov - BmorePat87 - 10-03-2016 (10-01-2016, 03:43 PM)JustWinBaby Wrote: No one says it's racist to ask for an ID to buy liquor or cash a check - but if you refused either service to someone because they are black you have some major legal problems headed your way. You're attempting to go in a far different direction with your comparison to distract from the point of the thread. Stick with trying to explain why you can force someone to spend money on something that is required in order to vote despite there being a constitutional amendment to prevent forcing people to pay money to vote. RE: Wisconsin Is Systematically Failing to Provide the Photo IDs Required to Vote in Nov - GMDino - 10-03-2016 (10-03-2016, 09:05 AM)BmorePat87 Wrote: You're attempting to go in a far different direction with your comparison to distract from the point of the thread. Stick with trying to explain why you can force someone to spend money on something that is required in order to vote despite there being a constitutional amendment to prevent forcing people to pay money to vote. Because it affects white people too!!!1!!!11!!!! ![]() RE: Wisconsin Is Systematically Failing to Provide the Photo IDs Required to Vote in Nov - Belsnickel - 10-03-2016 (10-02-2016, 08:37 PM)JustWinBaby Wrote: Whites outnumber blacks 5 or 6 to 1. So there are more white people - almost twice as many - living below the poverty line than black people. So, were Jim Crow laws racist? Poll taxes, testing, all of those things that were barriers to voting in those laws also affected white people, probably in larger numbers than minorities, but they affected a greater percentage of minorities than white people. So your logic applied to Jim Crow would be that it was not racist. I just want to make sure I understand your argument. RE: Wisconsin Is Systematically Failing to Provide the Photo IDs Required to Vote in Nov - bfine32 - 10-04-2016 Every U.S.Citizen should be allowed to vote; baring anything you have done to forfiet that right. Every US Citizen should be provided with a photo voter's ID once they provide required documentation Every US Citizen should then have to produce this ID to vote. Timelines to obtain these ID's should be established and the cost of the ID should be a percentage of your taxable income (given a cap) If you do not have the ID or wait too long to obtain the ID, you should not be able to vote. RE: Wisconsin Is Systematically Failing to Provide the Photo IDs Required to Vote in Nov - bfine32 - 10-04-2016 (10-03-2016, 10:22 AM)Belsnickel Wrote: So, were Jim Crow laws racist? Poll taxes, testing, all of those things that were barriers to voting in those laws also affected white people, probably in larger numbers than minorities, but they affected a greater percentage of minorities than white people. So your logic applied to Jim Crow would be that it was not racist. Did Jim Crow specifically target blacks? If your answer is yes, then you are on the road to understanding the difference. |