(10-19-2016, 04:44 PM)kevin Wrote: Hue Jackson and Jay Gruden in back to back weeks.....Some familiar faces on the other sidelines coming up.....I'm thinking back in history of Bengals on playing ex coaches.  Certainly playing Bill Walsh in the Super Bowl and in other regular season games sits at the top.  I don't think we ever played a Sam Wyche team.  Well, certainly playing LeBeau in all those Steelers games and why was he so much better with Steelers than here. He was a great player and a great coach, just not here. ......but in Bengals History I do not remember us ever playing anything like this back to back games of very good offensive coordinators who just recently got us to the play-offs. Both helped coach up young Dalton and Green and so many new players since 2011, Both built what we come to know as the Bengals offense in our 5 straight play-off seasons.  Both worked under Coach Lewis.  Zampese worked under them..The NFL development of some of these Bengals players Coached UP is due in great part to them. .......So we can look at the need for wins, and wins we need....We can look at The Battle For Ohio....We can look at the Trip To London......But I've never seen the Bengals play back to back good ex coaches that just left before.  I'm sure Paul Brown must have in Cleveland, maybe. This is what comes from winning, good coaches get promotions on other teams. After the 1981 Super Bowl our coaches got promotions on other teams. ......Playing Hue Jackson and Jay Gruden teams back to back is historic.  I've never seen Bengals play 2 good ex coaches back to back before.

(10-19-2016, 07:58 PM)Sabretooth Wrote: Seems to me Bengal head coaches have very little control over hiring assistant coaches, as M  Brown insists on retaining the old familiar staff. That would explain Lebeaus' crummy tenure here.

(10-19-2016, 04:44 PM)kevin Wrote: Hue Jackson and Jay Gruden in back to back weeks.....Some familiar faces on the other sidelines coming up.....I'm thinking back in history of Bengals on playing ex coaches.  Certainly playing Bill Walsh in the Super Bowl and in other regular season games sits at the top.  I don't think we ever played a Sam Wyche team.  Well, certainly playing LeBeau in all those Steelers games and why was he so much better with Steelers than here. He was a great player and a great coach, just not here. ......but in Bengals History I do not remember us ever playing anything like this back to back games of very good offensive coordinators who just recently got us to the play-offs. Both helped coach up young Dalton and Green and so many new players since 2011, Both built what we come to know as the Bengals offense in our 5 straight play-off seasons.  Both worked under Coach Lewis.  Zampese worked under them..The NFL development of some of these Bengals players Coached UP is due in great part to them. .......So we can look at the need for wins, and wins we need....We can look at The Battle For Ohio....We can look at the Trip To London......But I've never seen the Bengals play back to back good ex coaches that just left before.  I'm sure Paul Brown must have in Cleveland, maybe. This is what comes from winning, good coaches get promotions on other teams. After the 1981 Super Bowl our coaches got promotions on other teams. ......Playing Hue Jackson and Jay Gruden teams back to back is historic.  I've never seen Bengals play 2 good ex coaches back to back before.

(10-20-2016, 08:54 PM)xxlt Wrote: Good observation, and I expect both of them to out coach Marvin. Let's hope our talent advantage is enough to offset the coaching disadvantage in both games. 

(10-19-2016, 04:44 PM)kevin Wrote: Hue Jackson and Jay Gruden in back to back weeks.....Some familiar faces on the other sidelines coming up.....I'm thinking back in history of Bengals on playing ex coaches.  Certainly playing Bill Walsh in the Super Bowl and in other regular season games sits at the top.  I don't think we ever played a Sam Wyche team.  Well, certainly playing LeBeau in all those Steelers games and why was he so much better with Steelers than here. He was a great player and a great coach, just not here. ......but in Bengals History I do not remember us ever playing anything like this back to back games of very good offensive coordinators who just recently got us to the play-offs. Both helped coach up young Dalton and Green and so many new players since 2011, Both built what we come to know as the Bengals offense in our 5 straight play-off seasons.  Both worked under Coach Lewis.  Zampese worked under them..The NFL development of some of these Bengals players Coached UP is due in great part to them. .......So we can look at the need for wins, and wins we need....We can look at The Battle For Ohio....We can look at the Trip To London......But I've never seen the Bengals play back to back good ex coaches that just left before.  I'm sure Paul Brown must have in Cleveland, maybe. This is what comes from winning, good coaches get promotions on other teams. After the 1981 Super Bowl our coaches got promotions on other teams. ......Playing Hue Jackson and Jay Gruden teams back to back is historic.  I've never seen Bengals play 2 good ex coaches back to back before.

(10-21-2016, 12:42 PM)fredtoast Wrote: Zimmer I can understand.  But can you explain why you think Gruden is a better head coach than Marvin?

He went 9-7 last year without a single win over a team with a winning record.  In '14 he was 4-12.  This year he is 4-2, but only has one win against a team with a winning record.

(10-21-2016, 01:06 PM)xxlt Wrote: Because he is performing those miracles in D.C.

(10-21-2016, 01:17 PM)fredtoast Wrote: Redskins won 10 games (more than Gruden ever has) in 2012.

(10-21-2016, 01:48 PM)Brownshoe Wrote: Yeah, and the Redskins also had RGIII looking like an amazing rookie (even winning the ROY award when Luck was a rookie too). Plus they had the #2 running back in the league... If AP didn't have a 2100 yard year that year Morris could have been first. Plus they were in a super weak division that year. The Redskins from 2009 until Gruden took over (2014) were 28-52 and that's including the 10-6 record they had in 2012. You always have to try and reach and spin things Fred.... You spin me right round, baby, right round like a record....

(10-21-2016, 02:04 PM)Nate (formerly eliminate08) Wrote: Nice post Brownshoe, well said. These facts have to be taken into consideration.

Jay has done a good job in Washington...

(10-21-2016, 01:48 PM)Brownshoe Wrote: Yeah, and the Redskins also had RGIII looking like an amazing rookie (even winning the ROY award when Luck was a rookie too). Plus they had the #2 running back in the league... If AP didn't have a 2100 yard year that year Morris could have been first. Plus they were in a super weak division that year. The Redskins from 2009 until Gruden took over (2014) were 28-52 and that's including the 10-6 record they had in 2012. You always have to try and reach and spin things Fred.... You spin me right round, baby, right round like a record....

(10-21-2016, 01:48 PM)Brownshoe Wrote: Yeah, and the Redskins also had RGIII looking like an amazing rookie (even winning the ROY award when Luck was a rookie too). Plus they had the #2 running back in the league... If AP didn't have a 2100 yard year that year Morris could have been first. Plus they were in a super weak division that year. The Redskins from 2009 until Gruden took over (2014) were 28-52 and that's including the 10-6 record they had in 2012. You always have to try and reach and spin things Fred.... You spin me right round, baby, right round like a record....

(10-21-2016, 02:07 PM)Brownshoe Wrote:  The fact that he rebounded a year later and won the division is huge. It's something Marvin Lewis could probably never do.