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How sexism drives support for Donald Trump - GMDino - 11-02-2016 https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/monkey-cage/wp/2016/10/23/how-sexism-drives-support-for-donald-trump/ Quote:In the past two weeks, several women have publicly accused Republican presidential candidate Donald Trump of groping and forcing himself on them, behavior he had described on a hot micin 2005. Polls now reveal the largest gender gap in support for Trump’s Democratic opponent ever recorded at the presidential level. Moreover, news outlets have documented sexist paraphernalia for sale at Trump rallies around the country. RE: How sexism drives support for Donald Trump - Nebuchadnezzar - 11-02-2016 Or, people just don't believe the accusers. RE: How sexism drives support for Donald Trump - Matt_Crimson - 11-03-2016 Yeah. Let's get people to change their vote for Trump by telling them that they're voting for him because they're sexist. That article is a great example of how not to write a persuasive paper. RE: How sexism drives support for Donald Trump - Dill - 11-03-2016 (11-03-2016, 04:29 PM)Matt_Crimson Wrote: Yeah. Let's get people to change their vote for Trump by telling them that they're voting for him because they're sexist. The goal of the journal article was not to persuade Trumpsters to "change their votes." They are not the intended audience. The goal was to report social science findings to other social scientists, as a contribution to ongoing research on voter behavior. RE: How sexism drives support for Donald Trump - Matt_Crimson - 11-04-2016 (11-03-2016, 04:49 PM)Dill Wrote: The goal of the journal article was not to persuade Trumpsters to "change their votes." They are not the intended audience. Well yes, I'm aware it's not a persuasive piece, I was just adding in some humor. The so called "science" in this article is embarrassing, and can be taken no more seriously than if it were written as a persuasive piece. RE: How sexism drives support for Donald Trump - Dill - 11-04-2016 (11-04-2016, 12:58 AM)Matt_Crimson Wrote: Well yes, I'm aware it's not a persuasive piece, I was just adding in some humor. The so called "science" in this article is embarrassing, and can be taken no more seriously than if it were written as a persuasive piece. Where does the science fall short, in your view? Just wondering. RE: How sexism drives support for Donald Trump - TheLeonardLeap - 11-04-2016 (11-04-2016, 01:23 AM)Dill Wrote: Where does the science fall short, in your view? Just wondering. Because they asked questions that they automatically determined if you answered yes to, then you're sexist. “Many women are actually seeking special favors, such as hiring policies that favor them over men, under the guise of asking for equality.” Not saying I agree with the entirety of the statement, but women were celebrating "equality" when the Army allowed women into combat jobs. How many of them are also advocating "equality" by trying to make it so women have to sign up for Selective Services? None? Yet if you say yes to that, you are sexist in their survey. Thus if you're a Trump supporter (I am not), you are voting for Trump (I am not) because you are sexist (I am not). RE: How sexism drives support for Donald Trump - Dill - 11-04-2016 (11-04-2016, 04:58 PM)TheLeonardLeap Wrote: Because they asked questions that they automatically determined if you answered yes to, then you're sexist. The point of such questions is to reveal bias. The question about women "seeking special favors" rather than equality seems like a good start. Appeals for equality do appear to sexists as appeals for special rights. I don't grasp your second point. Of course, you might likely be sexist if you answered "none" to your second question, since women advocating for equality do indeed think women should sign up for the selective service if men have to. http://www.usnews.com/opinion/articles/2016-06-22/its-time-for-women-to-register-for-the-draft Who would answer "none" except someone who supposed women are angling for favors rather than rights and the responsibilities which come with them? I.e., a sexist. The article doesn't suggest that everyone voting for Trump is a sexist. Rather, if you are sexist, then Trump's rhetoric will seem attractive, or if sexism is a problem low on your priorities, his sexism will not bother you enough to reject him as a candidate. It is very difficult, though, to imagine why someone who thinks women's equality is an important value would vote for Trump. RE: How sexism drives support for Donald Trump - TheLeonardLeap - 11-04-2016 (11-04-2016, 09:11 PM)Dill Wrote: The point of such questions is to reveal bias. The question about women "seeking special favors" rather than equality seems like a good start. Appeals for equality do appear to sexists as appeals for special rights. Admittedly should have said "Much less?" instead of "None?" Neither of the candidates are probably really appealing if women's equality is one of your primary concerns. Trump for obvious reasons, and Clinton because she worked closely with, is friendly with, and took lots of "donations" from Middle East leaders who would have a woman beheaded for showing their face in public. Places where honor killings, throwing acid in women's faces, and genital mutilation are a thing. RE: How sexism drives support for Donald Trump - bfine32 - 11-05-2016 (11-03-2016, 04:49 PM)Dill Wrote: The goal of the journal article was not to persuade Trumpsters to "change their votes." They are not the intended audience. Hell, I knew it was all sciency when I seen that complicated chart RE: How sexism drives support for Donald Trump - Dill - 11-05-2016 (11-04-2016, 10:55 PM)TheLeonardLeap Wrote: Neither of the candidates are probably really appealing if women's equality is one of your primary concerns. One of the candidates has taken the international stage to stump for women's rights; the other is known for grabbing them by the pxxxx and calling them pigs. So I do find one somewhat more appealing in regards to women's rights. I lived in the Middle-East for many years and don't recall any regime that beheaded a woman for showing her face in public. Throwing acid in women's faces is done by private individuals in many countries we trade with, including Afghanistan, Brazil and India. I don't have a problem with the Clinton Foundation taking money from "sexist" countries like Saudi Arabia and channeling it into life-lengthening medical treatments for millions of people. You going to walk into the children's HIV ward in a Nigerian hospital and empty the beds because the Clinton's are giving Saudi Arabia back it's donation? And honor-killing is a cultural practice which is outlawed by every government in the Middle-East--except perhaps the Islamic State. I don't know what their stance is. But it makes little sense to, say, refuse a donation from the King of Jordan because some Bedoo killed his sister in violation of Jordanian law. Accepting the donation does not send the message you are ok with honor killing. Same deal with genital mutilation. This is largely an African problem, not Middle-Eastern (with the exception of Egypt). I don't think the Clinton foundation has had many donations from Somalia, one of the poorest countries in the world with a government that only controls have of Mogadishu. I know Hannity and Rush have tried to make this a big Republican talking point--Hillary takes money from the Saudis who don't allow women to drive so how can she be a feminist? And maybe it works for some Republicans, who selectively refuse dialogue with "evil"--until it arrives in the form of their own authoritarian, sexist candidate. But I don't see a contradiction here, especially when there are many Clinton-related or supported organizations in the Middle East who work for women's rights there. Refusing donations for medical care would do little to advance women's rights and taking such money does not support sexism. RE: How sexism drives support for Donald Trump - michaelsean - 11-08-2016 I find it all funny that people try to pretend they didn't support a sexual predator for 8 years, and are about to let him back in the White House. RE: How sexism drives support for Donald Trump - GMDino - 11-08-2016 (11-08-2016, 10:08 AM)michaelsean Wrote: I find it all funny that people try to pretend they didn't support a sexual predator for 8 years, and are about to let him back in the White House. Reagan? No seriously...you mean the guy who got caught having an affair? You call that being a sexual predator? I mean I said he should have resigned over it but "sexual predator"? Really? What do you call Trump then? And why would we want him in the white house for even a day? RE: How sexism drives support for Donald Trump - oncemoreuntothejimbreech - 11-08-2016 (11-07-2016, 01:31 PM)Mike M (the other one) Wrote: Ryan is nothing more than a RINO.An example of how sexism drives support for Donald Trump. RE: How sexism drives support for Donald Trump - GMDino - 11-08-2016 (11-08-2016, 10:30 AM)oncemoreuntothejimbreech Wrote: An example of how sexism drives support for Donald Trump. Yep. There's a word that fits that that some use when they think man isn't being manly enough. I don't use it. Maybe my wife won't let me? ![]() RE: How sexism drives support for Donald Trump - michaelsean - 11-08-2016 (11-08-2016, 10:22 AM)GMDino Wrote: Reagan? Well if people claiming they were assaulted is evidence enough, then yes they are both sexual predators. I don't want him in the WH for even a day, and he won't be. RE: How sexism drives support for Donald Trump - Nately120 - 11-08-2016 (11-08-2016, 10:44 AM)michaelsean Wrote: Well if people claiming they were assaulted is evidence enough, then yes they are both sexual predators. Even if Bill Clinton and Donald Trump are both serial rapists the bottom line is that Clinton was a better politician. RE: How sexism drives support for Donald Trump - PhilHos - 11-11-2016 Ever notice when a Republican disagrees with a Democrat, they're like "I disagree" and/or "you're stupid"? But when a Democrat disagrees with a Republican, they're like "you're stupid AND "you're a racist" and/or "you're a sexist" and/or "you're an "ist" of some kind". I find it interesting. I'm not saying there aren't legitimately racist/sexist/etc Republicans, but, just once, I'd like to see a Democrat or liberal disagree without going to the "ism"s (outside of these boards 'cause I have seen it here a few times ![]() RE: How sexism drives support for Donald Trump - JustWinBaby - 11-12-2016 (11-11-2016, 01:18 PM)PhilHos Wrote: I'm not saying there aren't legitimately racist/sexist/etc Republicans, but, just once, I'd like to see a Democrat or liberal disagree without going to the "ism"s (outside of these boards 'cause I have seen it here a few times Because that's how they shutdown debate, or even pre-emptively avoid it because you know you'll be shamed if you say something. The so-called "party of ideas" hasn't really wanted to talk or sell any of its ideas for a long time....and so have been relying almost exclusively on identity politics and looking for the next group of victims to exploit for political gain. I think a lot of Trump voters gave all that a big middle finger - not going to let political correctness be a weapon wielded to suppress debate and opposition. RE: How sexism drives support for Donald Trump - HarleyDog - 11-12-2016 (11-02-2016, 05:15 PM)GMDino Wrote: https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/monkey-cage/wp/2016/10/23/how-sexism-drives-support-for-donald-trump/ Your still trusting polls? |