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Google Changes Algorithm, Scrubs Neo-Nazi Site Disputing Holocaust in Top Search - GMDino - 12-27-2016 http://www.nbcnews.com/tech/internet/google-changes-algorithm-scrubs-neo-nazi-site-disputing-holocaust-top-n700506?cid=sm_fb Quote:Google is weeding out the hate after coming under fire for allowing a neo-Nazi site to appear as a top result when someone searches for whether the Holocaust happened. RE: Google Changes Algorithm, Scrubs Neo-Nazi Site Disputing Holocaust in Top Search - Rotobeast - 12-28-2016 I'm ok with knocking it down the list a bit, but I think removing it from the results is a slippery slope. Liberty is a fickle muse. RE: Google Changes Algorithm, Scrubs Neo-Nazi Site Disputing Holocaust in Top Search - THE Bigzoman - 12-28-2016 (12-28-2016, 12:06 AM)Rotobeast Wrote: I'm ok with knocking it down the list a bit, but I think removing it from the results is a slippery slope. This. I was always told that government would shit on free speech and the Matketplace of ideas. Not Government, corporations, and their useful idiotic cheerleaders. Let shit stand on its own merit. If these people are doing anything, it's giving people like this MORE STEAM. not less. The Streisand Effect is a very real thing people. RE: Google Changes Algorithm, Scrubs Neo-Nazi Site Disputing Holocaust in Top Search - GMDino - 12-28-2016 (12-28-2016, 12:06 AM)Rotobeast Wrote: I'm ok with knocking it down the list a bit, but I think removing it from the results is a slippery slope. (12-28-2016, 02:25 AM)THE Bigzoman Wrote: This. I was on the fence with it when I read it. After a good nights sleep I'm fine with eliminating something false with the intended point of raising hatred. People can be as dumb and uniformed as they want to be...private companies like Google (not a government agency restricting free speech) can do all they want to prevent deliberately false information. I'm quite sure there are plenty of other sources of deliberately false information out there for like minded people to use to "prove" what they believe. RE: Google Changes Algorithm, Scrubs Neo-Nazi Site Disputing Holocaust in Top Search - Rotobeast - 12-28-2016 (12-28-2016, 09:21 AM)GMDino Wrote: I was on the fence with it when I read it.Oh, I agree that as a company, Google has the right to eliminate it from their search. But... IF the nasty site were paying Google like the Anti-Anti-Semitic site, are we in a refusal to bake the cake scenario ? Now...if I learn Google is blocking sites (other than one's solely existing to install malware), I will use another search engine. I'm sure many will follow and Google would eventually revert. Sent from my SM-S820L using Tapatalk RE: Google Changes Algorithm, Scrubs Neo-Nazi Site Disputing Holocaust in Top Search - oncemoreuntothejimbreech - 12-28-2016 (12-28-2016, 02:25 AM)THE Bigzoman Wrote: This. Do you like to eat at restaurants with good food or shitty food? Should a restaurant owner let shitty food stand on its own merit? Or should the owner improve the quality of the food for his customers? RE: Google Changes Algorithm, Scrubs Neo-Nazi Site Disputing Holocaust in Top Search - Mike M (the other one) - 12-29-2016 (12-28-2016, 10:17 PM)oncemoreuntothejimbreech Wrote: Do you like to eat at restaurants with good food or shitty food? Should a restaurant owner let shitty food stand on its own merit? Or should the owner improve the quality of the food for his customers? What's bad to you, might not be bad to someone else. I'm sure you've heard of balut. You shouldn't use food to make a comparison. RE: Google Changes Algorithm, Scrubs Neo-Nazi Site Disputing Holocaust in Top Search - fredtoast - 12-29-2016 (12-28-2016, 12:06 AM)Rotobeast Wrote: I'm ok with knocking it down the list a bit, but I think removing it from the results is a slippery slope. (12-28-2016, 02:25 AM)THE Bigzoman Wrote: This. I don't think they are completely removing it "While searching for "did the Holocaust happen?" no longer shows one white supremacist site at the top, searching for "is the Holocaust real?" still provides a site up high that claims it's a hoax." RE: Google Changes Algorithm, Scrubs Neo-Nazi Site Disputing Holocaust in Top Search - oncemoreuntothejimbreech - 12-29-2016 (12-29-2016, 02:02 PM)Mike M (the other one) Wrote: What's bad to you, might not be bad to someone else. I'm sure you've heard of balut. It's an analogy. Owners aren't going to purposely serve shitty food because they will go out of business. If Google regularly serves up false information people will use other search engines and Google's revenue will suffer. Thus it is in Google's own best interest to provide the most accurate information. If you want to make an analogy with balut; will you pay for real balut or imaginary balut? I doubt people will continue to patronize the the place selling the imaginary balut. RE: Google Changes Algorithm, Scrubs Neo-Nazi Site Disputing Holocaust in Top Search - THE Bigzoman - 12-29-2016 (12-28-2016, 10:17 PM)oncemoreuntothejimbreech Wrote: Do you like to eat at restaurants with good food or shitty food? Should a restaurant owner let shitty food stand on its own merit? Or should the owner improve the quality of the food for his customers? How is food, in any way, analogous to ideas? RE: Google Changes Algorithm, Scrubs Neo-Nazi Site Disputing Holocaust in Top Search - THE Bigzoman - 12-29-2016 (12-29-2016, 04:32 PM)oncemoreuntothejimbreech Wrote: It's an analogy. Owners aren't going to purposely serve shitty food because they will go out of business. If Google regularly serves up false information people will use other search engines and Google's revenue will suffer. Thus it is in Google's own best interest to provide the most accurate information. Except Google has way more market power in its industries than any restaurant has in the restaurant business. Google is also heavily vested in other areas and products aside from its search results. You can reasonably expect a restaurant to go under if its food sucks; it's the restaurants' only source of revenue. You'd have a much harder time proving that googles' revenues would be harmed at all by not changing its algrothim, yet alone to the point to where it would lose out to the few competitors it actually has. RE: Google Changes Algorithm, Scrubs Neo-Nazi Site Disputing Holocaust in Top Search - oncemoreuntothejimbreech - 12-29-2016 (12-29-2016, 08:06 PM)THE Bigzoman Wrote: Except Google has way more market power in its industries than any restaurant has in the restaurant business. Google is also heavily vested in other areas and products aside from its search results. You can reasonably expect a restaurant to go under if its food sucks; it's the restaurants' only source of revenue. You'd have a much harder time proving that googles' revenues would be harmed at all by not changing its algrothim, yet alone to the point to where it would lose out to the few competitors it actually has. So it is okay to provide a shitty product to your customers if you're a large diversified company? Why don't you give me a breakdown of Google's revenue to see how much of it is generated by ads. RE: Google Changes Algorithm, Scrubs Neo-Nazi Site Disputing Holocaust in Top Search - oncemoreuntothejimbreech - 12-29-2016 (12-29-2016, 08:02 PM)THE Bigzoman Wrote: How is food, in any way, analogous to ideas? (12-29-2016, 08:06 PM)THE Bigzoman Wrote: Except Google has way more market power in its industries than any restaurant has in the restaurant business. Google is also heavily vested in other areas and products aside from its search results. You can reasonably expect a restaurant to go under if its food sucks; it's the restaurants' only source of revenue. You'd have a much harder time proving that googles' revenues would be harmed at all by not changing its algrothim, yet alone to the point to where it would lose out to the few competitors it actually has.How were you able formulate this response if you were incapable of a understanding the analogy? RE: Google Changes Algorithm, Scrubs Neo-Nazi Site Disputing Holocaust in Top Search - THE Bigzoman - 12-29-2016 (12-29-2016, 09:01 PM)oncemoreuntothejimbreech Wrote: How were you able formulate this response if you were incapable of a understanding the analogy? I read one post before I read the other. I assumed you didn't elaborate on what you meant. RE: Google Changes Algorithm, Scrubs Neo-Nazi Site Disputing Holocaust in Top Search - THE Bigzoman - 12-29-2016 (12-29-2016, 08:56 PM)oncemoreuntothejimbreech Wrote: So it is okay to provide a shitty product to your customers if you're a large diversified company? You don't seem to get how analogies work. Google's situation isn't comparable to that of any restaurant, so your analogy is ass. That's all I was trying to say. That doesn't carry the implication that any large diversified company can have a shitty product. Not even close. Because again, google is different from a restaurant in industry, size, power, and scope. RE: Google Changes Algorithm, Scrubs Neo-Nazi Site Disputing Holocaust in Top Search - oncemoreuntothejimbreech - 12-29-2016 (12-29-2016, 09:27 PM)THE Bigzoman Wrote: You don't seem to get how analogies work. Google's situation isn't comparable to that of any restaurant, so your analogy is ass. That's all I was trying to say. That doesn't carry the implication that any large diversified company can have a shitty product. Not even close. Jesus H. Christ. http://literarydevices.net/analogy/ Quote:An analogy is a comparison in which an idea or a thing is compared to another thing that is quite different from it. It aims at explaining that idea or thing by comparing it to something that is familiar. Explaining the definition of an analogy is really outside of the scope of this discussion. You obviously understood the analogy otherwise you wouldn't have responded with market shares and diversification. So you're feigning ignorance in an attempt to make me look ignorant. You should add that to your list of ironies. Restaurants provide food. Search engines provide search results. Restaurants and Google are businesses that provide a service to customers in order to make money. You understand no matter how much you feign otherwise. RE: Google Changes Algorithm, Scrubs Neo-Nazi Site Disputing Holocaust in Top Search - hollodero - 12-30-2016 (12-29-2016, 08:02 PM)THE Bigzoman Wrote: How is food, in any way, analogous to ideas? Food for thought! - $1 I think the analogy works perfectly $2 I think we have to admit that a too large portion of the population lacks either the intellect or the knowledge for a completely censorship-free community to work. Way too many people are too ignorant and naive in that we could assume utter stupidity or blatant lies would just reveal themselves in the eye of the consumer. Doesn't happen. Disputing the holocaust is not presenting a different critical view, it's plainly telling a horrendous lie. By all means, remove these sites from the top searches, otherwise we would just be naive sheeps to the lying wolves. Now deleting the sites, that would be a different debate. But no opinion has the right to be granted a platform wherever they want to have one. 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