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Helter Skelter: Mexico, Iran, Australia, Yemen - Dill - 02-01-2017
No way to keep up with today's events--mosque burned, MLK speech, end of gun-free school zones, resolution to nullify Stream Protection Rule, Dodd Frank dismantling begins--here I will only focus on Trump's foreign policy moves. (On the positive side the protests expand--thousands turn out to support Muslims in Texas.)
1. Trump threatened to send US troops into Mexico to take care of "bad hombres" during phone call to Mexican President. http://time.com/4657474/donald-trump-enrique-pena-nieto-mexico-bad-hombres/
2. Let's undermine the Iran Treaty and regional stability now. Flynn puts Iran "on Notice."
https://www.cato.org/blog/trump-administration-begins-threat-inflation-iran
3. A senior administration official acknowledged that the conversation with Turnbull had been hostile and charged. . . .
https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/national-security/no-gday-mate-on-call-with-australian-pm-trump-badgers-and-brags/2017/02/01/88a3bfb0-e8bf-11e6-80c2-30e57e57e05d_story.html?tid=sm_tw&utm_term=.f68ad8b7eef3
4. Special Oops? Trump green lights first military action abroad. Seven children killed.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/checkpoint/wp/2017/01/31/how-trumps-first-counter-terror-operation-in-yemen-turned-into-chaos/?utm_term=.e8aed6cc28cc. https://www.nytimes.com/2017/01/30/world/middleeast/yemen-raid-women-qaeda.html?_r=0. http://gothamist.com/2017/01/31/yemen_raid_trump_fatal.php.
I think there is no surprise that many are coming to view Angela Merkel as the next leader of the free world.
http://www.independent.co.uk/voices/angela-merkel-donald-trump-democracy-freedom-of-press-a7556986.html
RE: Helter Skelter: Mexico, Iran, Australia, Yemen - Sociopathicsteelerfan - 02-01-2017
Angela Merkel might not even be the leader of Germany after the next elections.
RE: Helter Skelter: Mexico, Iran, Australia, Yemen - bfine32 - 02-01-2017
He* sure is terrible
* He refers to Donald Trump for those that have difficulty understanding.
RE: Helter Skelter: Mexico, Iran, Australia, Yemen - michaelsean - 02-02-2017
Quote:"It is absolutely false that the president of the United States threatened to send troops to Mexico," Sanchez said in an interview with Radio Formula on Wednesday night.
And even if he said it, your characterization that he would send troops into Mexico is a bit presumptuous. The border maybe.
I see where one child was killed, not seven, and do we have a running total of the children killed by drones over the last 8 years, or is this a new statistic?
RE: Helter Skelter: Mexico, Iran, Australia, Yemen - GMDino - 02-02-2017
(02-02-2017, 10:28 AM)michaelsean Wrote: And even if he said it, your characterization that he would send troops into Mexico is a bit presumptuous. The border maybe.
I see where one child was killed, not seven, and do we have a running total of the children killed by drones over the last 8 years, or is this a new statistic?
I've seen running totals.
RE: Helter Skelter: Mexico, Iran, Australia, Yemen - BengalHawk62 - 02-02-2017
(02-01-2017, 11:55 PM)bfine32 Wrote: He* sure is terrible
* He refers to Donald Trump for those that have difficulty understanding.
weak.
I prefer the "He sure is crazy" line instead.
RE: Helter Skelter: Mexico, Iran, Australia, Yemen - Griever - 02-02-2017
(02-01-2017, 11:55 PM)bfine32 Wrote: He* sure is terriblewhat a marvelous contribution to the thread, as usual
* He refers to Donald Trump for those that have difficulty understanding.
on topic
do we know if trump took a bet on how many leaders of countries he could piss off?
RE: Helter Skelter: Mexico, Iran, Australia, Yemen - michaelsean - 02-02-2017
(02-02-2017, 10:38 AM)GMDino Wrote: I've seen running totals.
Never seen 'em here, and I have no problem with what Obama did. You do your best to isolate the bad guys, but bad things are going to happen from time to time. I understand it's easy for me to say thousands of miles away, but I don't know the alternative.
RE: Helter Skelter: Mexico, Iran, Australia, Yemen - GMDino - 02-02-2017
(02-02-2017, 10:47 AM)michaelsean Wrote: Never seen 'em here, and I have no problem with what Obama did. You do your best to isolate the bad guys, but bad things are going to happen from time to time. I understand it's easy for me to say thousands of miles away, but I don't know the alternative.
I'm no fan of drone strikes, but they are better than troops on the ground.
RE: Helter Skelter: Mexico, Iran, Australia, Yemen - Griever - 02-02-2017
http://www.businessinsider.com/us-military-officials-trump-ordered-raid-in-yemen-that-killed-us-navy-seal-was-approved-without-sufficient-intelligence-2017-2?client=safari
RE: Helter Skelter: Mexico, Iran, Australia, Yemen - Bengalzona - 02-02-2017
(02-01-2017, 11:53 PM)Sociopathicsteelerfan Wrote: Angela Merkel might not even be the leader of Germany after the next elections.
Not if Russia has anything to do....er, I mean... 'say' about it.
RE: Helter Skelter: Mexico, Iran, Australia, Yemen - michaelsean - 02-02-2017
(02-02-2017, 10:55 AM)GMDino Wrote: I'm no fan of drone strikes, but they are better than troops on the ground.
And I don't know for sure, but I have to imagine drones are very psychologically stressful to potential targets. Every time you walk outside you could be blown to pieces with zero warning.
RE: Helter Skelter: Mexico, Iran, Australia, Yemen - GMDino - 02-02-2017
(02-02-2017, 11:45 AM)michaelsean Wrote: And I don't know for sure, but I have to imagine drones are very psychologically stressful to potential targets. Every time you walk outside you could be blown to pieces with zero warning.
And if you see innocent people killed it might add to hatred.
RE: Helter Skelter: Mexico, Iran, Australia, Yemen - michaelsean - 02-02-2017
(02-02-2017, 11:46 AM)GMDino Wrote: And if you see innocent people killed it might add to hatred.
Well that's every war ever. And is it possible that the hatred could be directed at those who are bringing this on them? Especially when they purposefully use innocent people to protect themselves.
RE: Helter Skelter: Mexico, Iran, Australia, Yemen - GMDino - 02-02-2017
(02-02-2017, 12:08 PM)michaelsean Wrote: Well that's every war ever. And is it possible that the hatred could be directed at those who are bringing this on them? Especially when they purposefully use innocent people to protect themselves.
I agree.
RE: Helter Skelter: Mexico, Iran, Australia, Yemen - bfine32 - 02-02-2017
(02-02-2017, 10:55 AM)GMDino Wrote: I'm no fan of drone strikes, but they are better than troops on the ground.
I can tell you that many troops on the ground hate drone strikes.
RE: Helter Skelter: Mexico, Iran, Australia, Yemen - GMDino - 02-02-2017
(02-02-2017, 12:17 PM)bfine32 Wrote: I can tell you that many troops on the ground hate drone strikes.
Why?
RE: Helter Skelter: Mexico, Iran, Australia, Yemen - Griever - 02-02-2017
(02-02-2017, 12:25 PM)GMDino Wrote: Why?
because he said so
dont question him
RE: Helter Skelter: Mexico, Iran, Australia, Yemen - michaelsean - 02-02-2017
(02-02-2017, 12:25 PM)GMDino Wrote: Why?
'cause those blood thirsty bastards lose out on some killin'.
Actually I don't know why either. Seems it's less times you'd have to go into hostile territory.
RE: Helter Skelter: Mexico, Iran, Australia, Yemen - Dill - 02-02-2017
(02-02-2017, 10:28 AM)michaelsean Wrote: And even if he said it, your characterization that he would send troops into Mexico is a bit presumptuous. The border maybe.According to the leak, he said "into" Mexico.
I see where one child was killed, not seven, and do we have a running total of the children killed by drones over the last 8 years, or is this a new statistic?
Why do you find my reporting of this "presumptuous," but not Trump's actions.
Again:https://www.nytimes.com/2017/01/30/world/middleeast/yemen-raid-women-qaeda.html?_r=1
On Sunday, another Yemeni official said that at least eight women and seven children, ages 3 to 13, had been killed in the raid.
In addition to the loss of one Seal, the US also lost a 70 million dollar Osprey.
My concern about the recent raid is Trump's ability to judge when to go and when not.
The point posting a cluster of foreign policy blunders is to question Trump's competence and judgment. In one day we have had enough scandal from Trump to cover a year in any other administration. And I did not even include other issues soon to be on the table, like moving the capital of Israel to Jerusalem or a reset with China or removal of sanctions from Russia.
If you don't find any of Trump's foreign policy actions then take the time to explain why you thinking he is building a foreign policy which will serve US interests.