Coronavirus Information...who do you trust?

[BFritz21]

(04-23-2021, 12:46 PM)Au165 Wrote: It was weird, I had COVID in January and had no side effects with the first shot. 2nd show I had a sore arm and a little bit of a just under the weather feeling. 

Why'd you get the vaccine if you already had Covid?  Doesn't the vaccine mimic Covid so your body builds antibodies, meaning that your body would already have the antibodies?

[Au165]

(04-25-2021, 05:21 PM)BFritz21 Wrote: Why'd you get the vaccine if you already had Covid?  Doesn't the vaccine mimic Covid so your body builds antibodies, meaning that your body would already have the antibodies?

The antibodies from having it they aren’t sure give resistance to the variants which are really the concern at this point. I have a young son who was in the NICU at birth for months and has potential for breathing issues so I take any precautions I can to help him.

[BFritz21]

(04-25-2021, 05:24 PM)Au165 Wrote: The antibodies from having it they aren’t sure give resistance to the variants which are really the concern at this point.

I didn't think about the new strands but, in terms of the antibodies not being a sure-proof protector, I guess I should have been more worried when that lady came by when I was out waving and said it was ok that she didn't have a mask on because she already had it and had antibodies (but we were outside, so it would have been difficult for her to give it to me anyways).

[BigPapaKain]

(04-25-2021, 05:21 PM)BFritz21 Wrote: Why'd you get the vaccine if you already had Covid?  Doesn't the vaccine mimic Covid so your body builds antibodies, meaning that your body would already have the antibodies?

Plenty of people have been reinfected after having Covid. Sometimes worse, sometimes asymptomatic.

[BFritz21]

(04-25-2021, 06:58 PM)BigPapaKain Wrote: Plenty of people have been reinfected after having Covid. Sometimes worse, sometimes asymptomatic.

That freaks me out a bit.  

Even though I got the vaccine, I keep telling myself that I'll be in the 6% it doesn't work on.

Some babe at the bar kissed me last night without asking or anything so now I'll spend the next two weeks worried.

[*jason*]

(04-25-2021, 07:13 PM)BFritz21 Wrote: That freaks me out a bit.  

Even though I got the vaccine, I keep telling myself that I'll be in the 6% it doesn't work on.

Some babe at the bar kissed me last night without asking or anything so now I'll spend the next two weeks worried.

It's 100% effective against you getting a serious case of it, or being hospitalized though. Who cares if you get it, and it's not severe? It's essentially a cold at that point. There's nothing to worry about Brad. I know it can be hard to get outta that mindset if you've been in it for a year though.

[BFritz21]

(04-25-2021, 08:20 PM)jason Wrote: It's 100% effective against you getting a serious case of it, or being hospitalized though. Who cares if you get it, and it's not severe? It's essentially a cold at that point. There's nothing to worry about Brad. I know it can be hard to get outta that mindset if you've been in it for a year though.

I did not know that either!  (I think I might have known it but I heard it so long ago that it just faded in my mind and the fears of getting it controlled my thoughts.)


THANKS BROTHER!  


MUCH LOVE!  


That does make me feel a BILLION times better!

[Wes Mantooth]

I really wish they would talk more about the cellular benefits of the vaccine. I think those in charge of making sure as many people get it as possible are really doing themselves a disservice by not using it to their advantage.

Since I've gotten the vaccine my cell reception is amazing. Crystal clear, and no more dead zones. My internet is blazing fast. And best of all, I am able to use myself as a 5G hotspot at home.

[*Nately120*]

(04-25-2021, 07:13 PM)BFritz21 Wrote: That freaks me out a bit.  

Even though I got the vaccine, I keep telling myself that I'll be in the 6% it doesn't work on.

Some babe at the bar kissed me last night without asking or anything so now I'll spend the next two weeks worried.

What were you wearing?

[BFritz21]

(04-26-2021, 11:43 AM)Nately120 Wrote: What were you wearing?

Skin tight leopard skin pants with a sleeveless t-shirt that's cut-off just below my nipples.......  why?

[Beaker]

I think the media is doing this pandemic a HUGE disservice by instantly reporting every event of even the slightest little side effect.It does nothing other than scare people away from getting vaccinated. There are going to be side effects....there are with virtually every vaccine. I had side effects from the Shingles vaccine. There are also people who are going to still get Covid after getting vaccinated....the vaccines are not 100% effective. But every time somebody has a negative reaction, or gets sick anyway, the media sees fit to report it. Then all you get its the "see, I KNEW it was bad" reaction from the fence sitters.

Again, one word to describe why everyone should get vaccinated...VARIANTS! Every shot we get into arms means less opportunity for the virus to reproduce, and less opportunity for it to mutate into other variants. I hear people talking on the radio about why a healthy 21 yr old with little chance of getting seriously siick from Covid should not get vaccinated. That's great....until a new more deadly variant comes out that can now make everyone, including the young seriously ill.

The media needs to realize how badly they are undermining things. Rant off.

[*Nately120*]

(04-26-2021, 04:48 PM)Beaker Wrote: I think the media is doing this pandemic a HUGE disservice by instantly reporting every event of even the slightest little side effect.It does nothing other than scare people away from getting vaccinated. There are going to be side effects....there are with virtually every vaccine. I had side effects from the Shingles vaccine. There are also people who are going to still get Covid after getting vaccinated....the vaccines are not 100% effective. But every time somebody has a negative reaction, or gets sick anyway, the media sees fit to report it. Then all you get its the "see, I KNEW it was bad" reaction from the fence sitters.

Again, one word to describe why everyone should get vaccinated...VARIANTS! Every shot we get into arms means less opportunity for the virus to reproduce, and less opportunity for it to mutate into other variants. I hear people talking on the radio about why a healthy 21 yr old with little chance of getting seriously siick from Covid should not get vaccinated. That's great....until a new more deadly variant comes out that can now make everyone, including the young seriously ill.

The media needs to realize how badly they are undermining things. Rant off.

It's the overall irrational nature of fear.  People will accept it if I say "I'm not getting the vaccine because it can cause blood clots" but if I say "I'm not leaving the house because I could die in a car accident" that is less acceptable.  Mathematically, I'm far more likely to be killed by the car accident, but we accept that risk every day so it's completely negligible to us.

[BigPapaKain]

(04-26-2021, 05:07 PM)Nately120 Wrote: It's the overall irrational nature of fear.  People will accept it if I say "I'm not getting the vaccine because it can cause blood clots" but if I say "I'm not leaving the house because I could die in a car accident" that is less acceptable.  Mathematically, I'm far more likely to be killed by the car accident, but we accept that risk every day so it's completely negligible to us.

Mathematically you're more likely to die from Covid than you are to develop a blood clot, much less die from said blood clot.

[Au165]

(04-26-2021, 04:48 PM)Beaker Wrote: I think the media is doing this pandemic a HUGE disservice by instantly reporting every event of even the slightest little side effect.It does nothing other than scare people away from getting vaccinated. There are going to be side effects....there are with virtually every vaccine. I had side effects from the Shingles vaccine. There are also people who are going to still get Covid after getting vaccinated....the vaccines are not 100% effective. But every time somebody has a negative reaction, or gets sick anyway, the media sees fit to report it. Then all you get its the "see, I KNEW it was bad" reaction from the fence sitters.

Again, one word to describe why everyone should get vaccinated...VARIANTS! Every shot we get into arms means less opportunity for the virus to reproduce, and less opportunity for it to mutate into other variants. I hear people talking on the radio about why a healthy 21 yr old with little chance of getting seriously siick from Covid should not get vaccinated. That's great....until a new more deadly variant comes out that can now make everyone, including the young seriously ill.

The media needs to realize how badly they are undermining things. Rant off.

The problem is the coverage combined with the general ignorance of the average person has created an alternate reality around drugs/vaccines and how things actually work. I had one guy tell me when the Johnson and Johnson reports started coming out that "see this is what happens when you rush something, they aren't safe". I explained to him that drugs that are approved every year and readily available have side effects some of which are death, but they are fully approved for treatment because their benefit far outways limited side effects. Viagra is linked to a couple of hundred deaths a year and about 10x that amount of increased risk for heart disease. When was the last time you saw wall-to-wall coverage because a couple of hundred people died from Viagra, a couple hundred out of a much smaller user base might I add? It didn't matter, at that point he had decided that all vaccines can't be safe because they were "rushed". 

Funny enough, the rate of incidents of blood clotting was a fraction of the actual death rate of COVID which he was one of the people who used that death rate to explain why COVID wasn't a big deal. In reality, a lot of these people already had their minds made up about the shots before they existed because they were entrenched in the whole thing being political. They were waiting to seize on any little issue to affirm their own position and reassure themselves they were right all along. The idea of getting to heard immunity via vaccination was great, but we will never get there because the country today is too selfish for that to ever occur. I have said here multiple times that the country today could not handle another world war because we are too selfish to make even the smallest sacrifice. Forget going to war in another country, or having to ration items, or even turning in your own property to support a war effort, hell no, we can't even wear a mask or get a shot.

[*Nately120*]

Side note, I kind of love the notion that the section of people who are concerned about putting the vaccine in their body are also cramming as much red met into their guts as humanly possible at the moment. We so crazy.

[Mickeypoo]

Open VS closed update
Source: NY Times

Interesting numbers considering one state has been open for months and the other you still cannot even walk into a DMV and the appointments are booked out a solid month.

NY deaths: 52,332
FL Deaths: 35,928

NY 7 day average deaths as of 5-13: 42
FL 7 day average deaths as of 5-13: 54

NY cases: 2.08M
FL cases: 2.28M

NY 7 day average cases as of 5-13: 2179
FL 7 day average cases as of 5-13: 3454

Looks like the Florida doom and gloom has not really panned out. Sorry for those rooting for death and destruction.

[Vas Deferens]

(05-14-2021, 01:40 PM)Mickeypoo Wrote: Open VS closed update  
Source:  NY Times

Interesting numbers considering one state has been open for months and the other you still cannot even walk into a DMV and the appointments are booked out a solid month.

NY deaths: 52,332
FL Deaths: 35,928

NY 7 day average deaths as of 5-13: 42
FL 7 day average deaths as of 5-13: 54

NY cases: 2.08M
FL cases: 2.28M

NY 7 day average cases as of 5-13: 2179
FL 7 day average cases as of 5-13: 3454

Looks like the Florida doom and gloom has not really panned out.  Sorry for those rooting for death and destruction.

Honest question, what do you think are the major contributing factors for FL's success?

[Mickeypoo]

(05-14-2021, 02:02 PM)Vas Deferens Wrote: Honest question, what do you think are the major contributing factors for FL's success?

I hope you are being genuine because I am going to be.......

I think that Covid is just not as bad as the media/our leaders portrayed.  That simple imo.  Like a REALLY bad flu.  I believe the reality is that it is not nearly as contagious or deadly as what was promoted.  

So FL is open and NY is closed and there really is not a huge difference (other than NY has a much higher death total).  Again, imo, it is not nearly as deadly or contagious as we were lead to believe, so there was not much of a difference with being open or closed.

I am not saying Covid is not a thing, just that it is not nearly what people claim it is.

I will give you an example of some of this lockdown/quarantine silliness that I have recently experienced personally.

My daughter had her best friend over on a Saturday for about 7 hours.  My wife, Myself and my son were all around my daughters friend and we all ate lunch together in pretty close proximity to each other.  Plus we were all around her in close proximity at other times throughout the day.  They were playing all over our house and in our backyard.  

My daughters best friend tested +covid on Sunday (the next day).

DOH calls and says my daughter has to quarantine for 7 days.  My wife is symptomatic as of Sunday night.  She told the DOH this.  Not only does my wife or anyone else not need to get tested, but we are not even quarantined.  My wife got tested just to be sure and it was negative.  So we were all exposed, my wife was symptomatic and all of us were in contact with the person who tested +, but only my daughter had to quarantine.  How does any of that make sense?

The DOH said that my daughter was around her friend more than we are.  OK.  So since the rest of us still had close contact but are not quarantined, that must mean it is not very contagious.

I guess what I am trying to say in my rambling, to answer your question, is that I don't think it is anything NY didn't do (other than Cuomo killing all those nursing home elderly) or that FL did do.  I believe it makes no difference whether you are open or closed because Covid is not nearly as deadly or contagious as we were lead to believe.  We can see at this point that the states that stayed open are not any worse than the states that locked down.

I also firmly believe that our long term response to Covid caused greater harms than Covid itself.

[Vas Deferens]

(05-14-2021, 02:38 PM)Mickeypoo Wrote: I hope you are being genuine because I am going to be.......

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Appreciate the earnest response, I was being genuine.   I'm certainly not living in some fantasy world where I think there is a chance in hell to change your opinion, but understanding your perspective informs future conversations.

Your family situation is pretty anecdotal.  Virologist the world over have detailed how Covid has a greater impact on the respiratory system than the common flu, an outcome of the evolution of this strain of the virus thats been predicted for years.  Personally, I place my trust in experts and science rather than what I can 'see' with my eyes.  Yes, some of the quarantine rules are still ill-formed, but the situation you've experienced is but a infinitesimal data point in a world wide phenomenon.  Just because you and your family didn't have a near death experience doesn't mean this has all been 'over-blown'. 

Regarding NY vs FL, and this has been discussed ad nauseam, the FACT that NY was an early hot spot put them in a precarious position and gave FL the advantage of learning from afar during those first few months.  The obvious disadvantage to NYC is population density, with >25K people per sq mile, the largest in the US.  Miami, the most densely populated in FL is around 12K.  Since NYC makes up more than half the entire states population, I hope you can see why that would matter.

Anyway.  Still don't know why you seem to equate those who prefer to be cautious with 'rooting for death and destruction'.  But as long as you and your family aren't dead, right?  Who cares about others...

[Mickeypoo]

(05-14-2021, 03:26 PM)Vas Deferens Wrote: Appreciate the earnest response, I was being genuine.   I'm certainly not living in some fantasy world where I think there is a chance in hell to change your opinion, but understanding your perspective informs future conversations.

Your family situation is pretty anecdotal.  Virologist the world over have detailed how Covid has a greater impact on the respiratory system than the common flu, an outcome of the evolution of this strain of the virus thats been predicted for years.  Personally, I place my trust in experts and science rather than what I can 'see' with my eyes.  Yes, some of the quarantine rules are still ill-formed, but the situation you've experienced is but a infinitesimal data point in a world wide phenomenon.  Just because you and your family didn't have a near death experience doesn't mean this has all been 'over-blown'. 

Regarding NY vs FL, and this has been discussed ad nauseam, the FACT that NY was an early hot spot put them in a precarious position and gave FL the advantage of learning from afar during those first few months.  The obvious disadvantage to NYC is population density, with >25K people per sq mile, the largest in the US.  Miami, the most densely populated in FL is around 12K.  Since NYC makes up more than half the entire states population, I hope you can see why that would matter.

Anyway.  Still don't know why you seem to equate those who prefer to be cautious with 'rooting for death and destruction'.  But as long as you and your family aren't dead, right?  Who cares about others...

Hey VAS,

some minor misunderstandings.  

I was not saying that my families experience means that Covid isn't real or a threat.  I was speaking to the fact that we were all exposed and in close contact to a Covid + person, but only one had to quarantine, including one who had symptoms the following day.  Just seems completely illogical to me if your goal is to keep the spread down.

I will agree that it is probably worse than the flu and was just trying to articulate my position which I am not very good at through text.  I much prefer a flowing back and forth, in person conversation were everything stays flowing and in the moment.

My death and destruction comment was not aimed at you guys, it was to poke fun at the talking heads who went insane when Texas dropped their mask mandate a little while back and think anything like that is instant death and doom. 

I have no problems with people being cautious and would put a mask on or social distance in a second if it truly made someone feel more comfortable.

I do understand NY is a little different, but I am pretty sure other states that have been open far more than states that have locked down are not doing any worse.  I will have to look more into that.  I live in NY and I am biased as I am tired of NYC basically dictating what happens in the rest of the state.  Very high taxes, Gun law BS, etc.  Especially when a vast majority of the state is very rural.

Basically I believe that Covid is a small enough threat that it does not matter whether a state opens or locks down.  I think the end result is pretty much the same.

Have a great weekend!  :)