Why is Marv 0-7 in the playoffs?

[Antares]

(01-18-2017, 03:15 PM)Wyche Wrote: Right.  If Andy had thrown two picks against Houston, and we fumbled a kickoff like NE and Brady did, this team would've folded like a Goodwill tent in a hurricane.  They ALWAYS do.

Well coached teams do not have all of these "if's." due to their superiour talent, the Bengals were predected to win most of their playoff games. They were simply out coached. No other way to spin it.

[McC]

(01-21-2017, 11:27 AM)kevin Wrote: 1 out of the 7 is all we should have won...The Chargers in Cincinnati.  There is no excuse for that one....2005, Carson injured on first play, 2015 Dalton out, 2014 forget about it-everybody was injured-no chance at Indy. 2009 was book ended by 2008 and 2010 lousy teams and 2009 team got beat back to back weeks by a Jets team just better.  The team was rebuilt in 2011 but it was a miracle we were even in the play-offs in 2011 and 2012, and on the road at Houston, forget about it. .......but the Chargers in Cincy that 2013 season. I'm thinking maybe we didn't have Atkins. Still, that is one we should have won. ......I think Lewis did a great job in 2015 season as we had the lead with less than a minute to go with Dalton injured.  Hill, Burfict and Pacman gave the Steelers the game winning field goal, just gave it to Steelers. With seconds to go the fumble and then 30 free yards in penalties to give other team a field goal.  Even without Dalton we had that game won. 

Still, I stand on all I just said before this that Mike Brown never had winning seasons before Coach Lewis, and The Brown Family may never have winning seasons after Coach Lewis. I say that is at least a 50 % chance looking at The Brown Family. 

Hard to imagine not thinking we should have won last year.

[Fan_in_Kettering]

(01-22-2017, 05:11 PM)McC Wrote: Hard to imagine not thinking we should have won last year.

I understand what you're saying but the NFL postseason is like the major tournaments in golf. It's different and requires a new mentality. It seems almost every player on Tour can win a tournament at one time in their career but only the truly great can sock away multiple major titles. Think of the modern Steelers, Packers, Patriots as Tiger Woods, Jack Nicklaus, and Annika Sorenstam. The harder the course the better those players played. Jack Nicklaus used to say he sought out and thrived in the most pressure-filled situations. When he showed up for the US Open and found the greens slick, the rough deep, the bunkers cavernous, the fairways narrow, and the course lengthened, he smiled because he knew it would eliminate all but his toughest competitors. The same was said about Tiger and Annika.

Other than being carbon-based life forms, what does Marvin Lewis have in common with Bill Belichick, Mike Tomlin, or Mike McCarthy?

[*Awful Llama*]

(01-22-2017, 05:40 PM)Fan_in_Kettering Wrote: Other than being carbon-based life forms, what does Marvin Lewis have in common with Bill Belichick, Mike Tomlin, or Mike McCarthy?

Well, like Tomlin, Marvin has been a big key to the Steelers' success.

[Aquapod770]

I've said it before and I'll keep saying it:

When over 75% of the team is playing like complete garbage in a big game it's incredibly obvious you have a coaching problem. Especially when it's happened 7 times with different players.

[*ochocincos*]

(01-21-2017, 09:41 AM)kevin Wrote: I still say it's knit picking on the word usage.  ......I'll add Bengals players of past were too much on ME or I, and why the team was awful. Look at ME, I scored a touchdown I scored a touchdown, LOOK AT ME.  Bengals Fans loved it. Problem was, that was our weakness.  Now you take the Lombardi Packers or the Belichick Patriots.  When one of our ME players went to Patriots Belichick laid the law down before he even let him put on a uniform that all the ME jazz doesn't go on Patriots.  Patriots are TEAM, TEAM, TEAM. It has to be the TEAM.   See, you Bengals Fans, especially that came on in 1990's or the 2005 team, you just LOVE this ME, ME, ME stuff.  You didn't see that the good teams were laughing at the Bengals. The good teams said the Bengals players were all talk and no action. The good teams about TEAM, TEAM, TEAM thought the losing Bengals were a joke.  The more the Bengals lost, the more the Bengals ME players talked their jive ME trash talk. The good teams said the Bengals were a joke. So what many Bengals Fans loved was considered a joke and lousy football by the good teams in the NFL. 

I'll add in the Inauguration Speech 1-20-2017, the media mentioned the new President used the word I only twice, he used the word WE a lot and the word AMERICA even more.  If you apply this to our team, the word I should almost never be used in losing or winning, the word WE should be used a lot more and use the word BENGALS more.  You hear of Packers football, Steelers football, Patriots football and the words HISTORY and PRIDE are used, and always Team Concept.  When some guy dances in the end zone and says look at ME, remember the guys that blocked to get him there.  The 1985 Bears quarterback did, that great team gave the O Line credit in front of the fans on every score. That is putting TEAM over I or ME.  

So I think this Coach Lewis saying WE not I is knit picking, and I would rather hear this franchise talk in terms of WE, and Bengals, and TEAM. I didn't go for all the ME, ME, ME stuff out of this team in the 1990s and those years around 2005 era players.  I agree with the good teams in the NFL that said they were a joke and a bunch of losers. I really like the Bengals more since 2011. ....Now I'll tell you something else. I'm not saying Marvin Lewis is the best coach in the NFL ever. I am saying that taking this sorry Mike Brown franchise into the play-offs 50 % of the time is a miracle.  This team had 12 losing seasons before Marvin Lewis. When Marvin Lewis is gone I can see the Brown Family having 12 losing seasons again. That is VERY possible. Now I have been a Bengal Fan since 1968, but that also makes me 62.  I am running out of days and years. If this team ever goes back in 1990's type BUNGLES football, I will NOT be a part of it. I do not have 12 years to waste watching The Brown Family stink up the place. There are too many other things besides this team.  If this team EVER starts being called The Bungles again, I'm done. I will not waste my time on it.  ....SO, to you that hate Marvin Lewis so much, I'm going to warn you. When Marvin Lewis is gone, The Bengals could go right back to 12 years of 3 or 4 win seasons.  I do not see the Brown Family hiring The Great White Hope Head Coach many of you dream of.  I see them hiring more coaches like Homer Rice and Dave Shula.  I do NOT see The Brown Family hiring more scouts or a GM because they are too cheap.  I DO see them maybe leaving Cincinnati for MONEY. When Marvin Lewis is gone, there is a good chance The Brown Family falls back into the 3 or 4 win seasons of BUNGLES for many years as before Coach Lewis. I'll have a pretty good idea where the Brown Family is going if this March they go back to back years of losing top players. If The Brown Family loses Hall, Nelson, Jones, Sanu, Andre Smith, Kirkpatrick, Zeitler, Whitworth, Peko, Burkhead and others all in 12 months time, I will know The Brown Family is going cheap and they do not care about winning. Like the Mel Brooks movie The Producers, The Brown Family discovered they can make more money off a flop than with a hit.  If they lose all these players in March, don't be so stupid to blame the coach, it is Mike Brown and Family.

Once again, agree to disagree. I agree with you regarding using "I" or "ME" when something good happens. However, when the team is losing and someone needs to step up and take responsibility for the blame, I expect the leader(s) to stand up, take the blame, and say how they specifically are going to try and fix things. By saying "we", it spreads the blame out and no one takes ownership of corrective actions.

Also, don't use the most recent inauguration as anything regarding a positive note. That inauguration was a joke and Trump will never own up to any mistake involving him or his cabinet. Trump is an example of the "me" Bengals from the past. "Me" whenever something goes right, but will never say "me" when something is wrong. He'll always defer blame across multiple people, never himself.

[OrlandoBengal]

(01-18-2017, 04:29 PM)ochocincos Wrote: One only needs to look back at the 2000 Ravens Super Bowl victory to see why Marvin Lewis coaches the way he does. The Ravens won the Super Bowl with arguably the worst starting QB to ever win it in Trent Dilfer. Dilfer was 12/25 (48%) for 153 yards and 1 TD in the Super Bowl. The defense, ST, and Jamal Lewis carried that team to the promised land. The Ravens had a defensive TD and KR TD in that game.

It's no wonder the team seems to be satisfied with what they have on offense when it comes to the passing game. Lewis must figure that Dalton is better than Dilfer, Green is by far better than any WR on that 2000 Ravens roster, and Eifert can be a playmaking TE like Sharpe was. All the Bengals need to do is play better on defense (mainly cause some turnovers) and for the Bengals to be mistake-free to make a playoff run.

Does it not seem like Marvin Lewis wants to recreate that Ravens team? He constantly emphasizes the importance of ST, the defense making stops, and not turning the ball over on offense.

So all they need is to reproduce what is arguably the best defense ever?  And also take the league and its rules back 17 years??  I get what you're saying, and think you're probably correct, but would argue this is another reason Marv is just not up to the task.  If he is trying to replicate that 2000 Ravens team, well... good luck to him because he is nowhere close to being able to do so.

[*Nately120*]

(01-22-2017, 05:40 PM)Fan_in_Kettering Wrote: Other than being carbon-based life forms, what does Marvin Lewis have in common with Bill Belichick, Mike Tomlin, or Mike McCarthy?

While I'd put Marvin at the bottom of this ranking I think it's time to admit Tomlin's lack of halftime adjustments and propensity to lose to 3-win teams and go on losing streaks brings him closer to Marvin's level that we once thought.

[Buckeyes420]

Real simple ....a lack of accountability

[McC]

(01-22-2017, 05:40 PM)Fan_in_Kettering Wrote: I understand what you're saying but the NFL postseason is like the major tournaments in golf.  It's different and requires a new mentality.  It seems almost every player on Tour can win a tournament at one time in their career but only the truly great can sock away multiple major titles.  Think of the modern Steelers, Packers, Patriots as Tiger Woods, Jack Nicklaus, and Annika Sorenstam.  The harder the course the better those players played.  Jack Nicklaus used to say he sought out and thrived in the most pressure-filled situations.  When he showed up for the US Open and found the greens slick, the rough deep, the bunkers cavernous, the fairways narrow, and the course lengthened, he smiled because he knew it would eliminate all but his toughest competitors.  The same was said about Tiger and Annika.

Other than being carbon-based life forms, what does Marvin Lewis have in common with Bill Belichick, Mike Tomlin, or Mike McCarthy?

Yes, but that game was in the bag.  All they had to do was not reach in the bag and pull it back out, which is exactly what they did.

[Shake n Blake]

(01-23-2017, 07:23 PM)Nately120 Wrote: While I'd put Marvin at the bottom of this ranking I think it's time to admit Tomlin's lack of halftime adjustments and propensity to lose to 3-win teams and go on losing streaks brings him closer to Marvin's level that we once thought.

If you simply said Tomlin is overrated, I'd agree with you, but Tomlin was just in the AFC title game and still has a shiny SB ring. 

I wish Marv's biggest downfall was occasionally getting tripped up by a bad team. Instead, we all know his biggest problem and his 2nd biggest problem is that he can't beat Tomlin.

[McC]

Bottom line on Marv--he's an arrogant asshole who thinks he is way smarter than he is. He has become a dark cloud over this franchise and that cloud won't lift until a replacement comes from outside the organization. In other words, never.

[OrlandoBengal]

(01-23-2017, 07:23 PM)Nately120 Wrote: While I'd put Marvin at the bottom of this ranking I think it's time to admit Tomlin's lack of halftime adjustments and propensity to lose to 3-win teams and go on losing streaks brings him closer to Marvin's level that we once thought.

I can't put Tomlin anywhere close to Marvin.  First off, his Steeler teams regularly dominate Marvin.  Then you throw in winning percentage, playoff success, Super Bowl victory.  I don't think they are anywhere near each other.

[*bengalfan74*]

(01-24-2017, 03:07 PM)OrlandoBengal Wrote: I can't put Tomlin anywhere close to Marvin.  First off, his Steeler teams regularly dominate Marvin.  Then you throw in winning percentage, playoff success, Super Bowl victory.  I don't think they are anywhere near each other.

Agree,

Tomlin has a much bigger set of #$%$ than Marvin. Like going for two point conversions, throwing deep on 3rd and 1 and so on. Add in the record and.....he's better.

But in the same breath Tomlin is no where near the truly great coaches.

[*Nately120*]

(01-24-2017, 03:07 PM)OrlandoBengal Wrote: I can't put Tomlin anywhere close to Marvin.  First off, his Steeler teams regularly dominate Marvin.  Then you throw in winning percentage, playoff success, Super Bowl victory.  I don't think they are anywhere near each other.

Let me make it clear that I'm not defending Marvin Lewis, but Tomlin?  Meh, let's just say even Marvin would have a better win % if he took over a team that won a recent SB and had a HOF QB sticking around for another decade or so. Then again, Marvin has also had enough QB stability and talent in Palmer and Dalton to win ONE FLIPPIN PLAYOFF GAME BY NOW!!!

ARGHHHH!!!