The Mueller Report thread

[GMDino]

(05-23-2019, 03:12 AM)JustWinBaby Wrote: Except there could be evidence, yet to be fully revealed, of politically motivated/weaponized or what have you DOJ to unseat a duly elected POTUS.

It most likely will end-up a gray area, not unlike "obstruction", up to debate and subject to partisan conclusions.  But it's possible it may be worse than that.  So maybe Trump is begging Dems to impeach him, so they can drop the "witchhunt" bombshell.....and that WOULD make a big difference.

Welcome to the new normal where Congress gives itself the authority to investigate anything and everything about a POTUS and his family's entire life.  I almost hope Biden wins 2020 because, shit, if Dems take a re-do what are Republicans going to do to raise the stakes?

Your spelled "congress' constitutional power of oversight" wrong.  

[GMDino]

At least he had notes?

Trump notes captured by @jabinbotsford:
“They want to impeach me over acts that they did”
“Dems have no achomlishments [sic]”https://t.co/WUGczy4y2c pic.twitter.com/ealXzJEFJM

— Dan Eggen (@DanEggenWPost) May 22, 2019

 

[GMDino]

And, for those in the back plugging their ears to what the POTUS "says":  Dude signed a check to payoff a pornstar he had sex with while married (to his third wife) and the lawyer who handled it for him is in prison and DJT is an unindicted co-conspirator...who "doesn't do cover ups".

[GMDino]

And admitting Jr. called him about the Russian meeting.

https://www.c-span.org/video/?c4799186/trump-admits-don-jr-called

Quote:THE PRESIDENT
The bottom line is they said there's no collusion. No collusion with Russia. You heard so much talk about phone calls that my son made to me from this meeting that was set up by GPS Fusion, it looks like - which is the other side, for those that don't know.
00:04:41
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THE PRESIDENT
And for a year, I heard about phone calls went to a special number unauthorized. And it would have been my son, Don - who's a good young man, who's gone through hell. And they were calls that must have been made by him before and after the meeting - three calls.
00:05:04


THE PRESIDENT
After massive study and work, they actually found who made the calls. One was a friend of ours - a real estate developer. Great guy. Most of you know him. Nice guy. He loves our country. And the other one was the head of NASCAR. Two of them.
00:05:25
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THE PRESIDENT
So, of the three calls that were so horrible that he had a meeting and he called me and then he had the meeting after and he made two more calls - and they were written about like this little - little lines, couple of lines. Nobody wanted to admit it.

sidenote:  DJT pulled on of his favorite tics out while whining...the "really rich guy you would all know who totally loves me but I won't say his name"! 

Quote:One was a friend of ours - a real estate developer. Great guy. Most of you know him. Nice guy. He loves our country. 

[jj22]

From Rex Tillerson. Hopefully people are following his testimony.

Rex Tillerson testified under oath in the Foreign Relations Committee recently and said, “President Trump told me to always put Russia’s interests above the United States’ interests.”

Also

https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/national-security/putin-out-prepared-trump-in-key-meeting-rex-tillerson-told-house-panel/2019/05/22/9523c60f-865d-4917-898b-cb32b922e93c_story.html?noredirect=on&tid=sm_tw&utm_term=.9c7987853648

Also

https://www.newsweek.com/jared-kushner-tillerson-history-knowledge-vulnerable-1433637?utm_source=Public&utm_medium=Feed&utm_campaign=Distribution

[jj22]

(05-23-2019, 09:24 AM)GMDino Wrote: At least he had notes?

Trump notes captured by @jabinbotsford:
“They want to impeach me over acts that they did”
“Dems have no achomlishments [sic]”https://t.co/WUGczy4y2c pic.twitter.com/ealXzJEFJM

— Dan Eggen (@DanEggenWPost) May 22, 2019

 

And you can't blame his poor spelling on typos.

[GMDino]

(05-23-2019, 10:10 AM)jj22 Wrote: From Rex Tillerson. Hopefully people are following his testimony.

Rex Tillerson testified under oath in the Foreign Relations Committee recently and said, “President Trump told me to always put Russia’s interests above the United States’ interests.”

Also

https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/national-security/putin-out-prepared-trump-in-key-meeting-rex-tillerson-told-house-panel/2019/05/22/9523c60f-865d-4917-898b-cb32b922e93c_story.html?noredirect=on&tid=sm_tw&utm_term=.9c7987853648

Also

https://www.newsweek.com/jared-kushner-tillerson-history-knowledge-vulnerable-1433637?utm_source=Public&utm_medium=Feed&utm_campaign=Distribution

Trump is well known for "knowing" he is the smartest guy who doesn't need to be prepared because his gut and brains will always be the best.  

Two failed marriages and multiple bankruptcies really drive that point home. 

[GMDino]

Trump took the criticism in his usual well mannered way.

Rex Tillerson, a man who is “dumb as a rock” and totally ill prepared and ill equipped to be Secretary of State, made up a story (he got fired) that I was out-prepared by Vladimir Putin at a meeting in Hamburg, Germany. I don’t think Putin would agree. Look how the U.S. is doing!

— Donald J. Trump (@realDonaldTrump) May 23, 2019

 

[Vas Deferens]

(05-23-2019, 10:10 AM)jj22 Wrote: From Rex Tillerson. Hopefully people are following his testimony.

Rex Tillerson testified under oath in the Foreign Relations Committee recently and said, “President Trump told me to always put Russia’s interests above the United States’ interests.”

Also

https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/national-security/putin-out-prepared-trump-in-key-meeting-rex-tillerson-told-house-panel/2019/05/22/9523c60f-865d-4917-898b-cb32b922e93c_story.html?noredirect=on&tid=sm_tw&utm_term=.9c7987853648

Also

https://www.newsweek.com/jared-kushner-tillerson-history-knowledge-vulnerable-1433637?utm_source=Public&utm_medium=Feed&utm_campaign=Distribution

Lots of debate about whether that quote is accurate or not.  I'm certain Daddy's been comprised, but I doubt Rex would use this wording.

Regardless.  Daddy's a huge POS and I hope his entire family, for generations to come, pays the price for the damage he's done to this country.  They should not be allowed to change their surname and be publicly shamed at every opportunity.

[Sociopathicsteelerfan]

(05-23-2019, 10:10 AM)jj22 Wrote: From Rex Tillerson. Hopefully people are following his testimony.

Rex Tillerson testified under oath in the Foreign Relations Committee recently and said, “President Trump told me to always put Russia’s interests above the United States’ interests.”

Also

https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/national-security/putin-out-prepared-trump-in-key-meeting-rex-tillerson-told-house-panel/2019/05/22/9523c60f-865d-4917-898b-cb32b922e93c_story.html?noredirect=on&tid=sm_tw&utm_term=.9c7987853648

Also

https://www.newsweek.com/jared-kushner-tillerson-history-knowledge-vulnerable-1433637?utm_source=Public&utm_medium=Feed&utm_campaign=Distribution

To the bold, where are you getting this quote?  It isn't from either of your sources.  This quote, however, is.

In one exchange, Tillerson said he and the president “shared a common goal: to secure and advance America’s place in the world and to promote and protect American values.”

[Sociopathicsteelerfan]

(05-23-2019, 09:27 AM)GMDino Wrote: And, for those in the back plugging their ears to what the POTUS "says":  Dude signed a check to payoff a pornstar he had sex with while married (to his third wife) and the lawyer who handled it for him is in prison and DJT is an unindicted co-conspirator...who "doesn't do cover ups".

Do you not realize that the Stormy Daniels thing is a dead issue that almost no one cares about?  Cohen is in prison for tax evasion and if you think DJT being an unindicted co-conspirator is a big deal then I'm sure you're up in arms about CAIR being an unindicted co-conspirator in 9/11.  


Just looking for a little consistency.

[GMDino]

(05-23-2019, 11:45 AM)Sociopathicsteelerfan Wrote: Do you not realize that the Stormy Daniels thing is a dead issue that almost no one cares about?  Cohen is in prison for tax evasion and if you think DJT being an unindicted co-conspirator is a big deal then I'm sure you're up in arms about CAIR being an unindicted co-conspirator in 9/11.  


Just looking for a little consistency.

BS.  You're looking to hard core repost me and say that I'm something I'm not.

And I only say that because:

(05-22-2019, 07:00 PM)Sociopathicsteelerfan Wrote: ...the entirety of your posting history, from the old board to now positively screams it.

All seriousness aside You're not denying Trump did something shady...or that he is an unindicted co-conspirator (because Mueller did think he could indict a sitting POTUS) you're just saying it doesn't matter because....Trump.  That CAIR was named such in a Texas report years later ain't quite the same as the POTUS.  But I'm sure I just "hate" more than you do. 

Quote:The unindicted co-conspirators were named in the case against the Holy Land Foundation for Relief and Development, which opened July 16. The charity and five of its officers are accused of providing material support for terrorism by funneling millions of charitable dollars to the Palestinian organization Hamas. The federal government ordered the foundation shuttered in December 2001.

(Sidenote:  Since I had zero idea what you were talking about I had to do some searching.  I didn't find them named as "unindicted co-conspirator in 9/11."  So if you have an useful info on that I'd appreciate it!  Thanks!)

[Bengalzona]

(05-23-2019, 11:45 AM)Sociopathicsteelerfan Wrote: Do you not realize that the Stormy Daniels thing is a dead issue that almost no one cares about?  Cohen is in prison for tax evasion and if you think DJT being an unindicted co-conspirator is a big deal then I'm sure you're up in arms about CAIR being an unindicted co-conspirator in 9/11.  


Just looking for a little consistency.

Yup. The American public aren't too vindictive when it comes to sexual impropriety among Presidents. It makes for juicy gossip. But in the end, it winds up being a double-edged sword. On the one hand, it shows POTUS's moral character as being low. On the other hand, it shows the POTUS as being virile. That trend goes back way before Clinton or even JFK.

[GMDino]

(05-23-2019, 01:00 PM)Bengalzona Wrote: Yup. The American public aren't too vindictive when it comes to sexual impropriety among Presidents. It makes for juicy gossip. But in the end, it winds up being a double-edged sword. On the one hand, it shows POTUS's moral character as being low. On the other hand, it shows the POTUS as being virile. That trend goes back way before Clinton or even JFK.

I disagree for the same reasons I stated above.  Plus DJT WANTS the publicity.  He WANTS To be the story...even if he has to lie about it to make himself look good.

This isn't the 60's...or even the 90's anymore.  Women are more vocal and involved and the "strong man seducing women" trope doesn't carry the weight it did.

Obviously pop culture has it's exceptions.

But as a famous meme put it:  



Women won't swoon over DJT like they did JFK and even Clinton back in the day.

"Real men" will still dig it.  Decent people won't.  They never did.

Besides, it's not the affair.  It's not even the payment.  It's the cover up (that Trump claims he doesn't do).

Same thing that got Nixon.  And Donald ain't as smart or shrewd as Richard was.

[Mike M (the other one)]

(05-23-2019, 10:10 AM)jj22 Wrote: From Rex Tillerson. Hopefully people are following his testimony.

Rex Tillerson testified under oath in the Foreign Relations Committee recently and said, “President Trump told me to always put Russia’s interests above the United States’ interests.”

Can you back that quote up? I can't seem to find it and it wasn't in the links you provided.

I'm not following this as closely as others, but really, I doubt Rex would say that.

[Sociopathicsteelerfan]

(05-23-2019, 11:58 AM)GMDino Wrote: BS.  You're looking to hard core repost me and say that I'm something I'm not.

And I only say that because:

The fact that this is an apples and oranges comparison aside, I'm wondering why you brought it up in this thread as it's completely off the subject and nothing to do with the post you're responding to.

Quote:All seriousness aside You're not denying Trump did something shady...or that he is an unindicted co-conspirator (because Mueller did think he could indict a sitting POTUS) you're just saying it doesn't matter because....Trump.  That CAIR was named such in a Texas report years later ain't quite the same as the POTUS.  But I'm sure I just "hate" more than you do. 

Trump did do something shady, in this case before his election.  This was a known quantity prior to his election, ergo one can logically conclude that the voters, while aware of it, elected him POTUS regardless.  Hence, it is a non-factor to me.

Quote:(Sidenote:  Since I had zero idea what you were talking about I had to do some searching.  I didn't find them named as "unindicted co-conspirator in 9/11."  So if you have an useful info on that I'd appreciate it!  Thanks!)

Apologies, not 9/11, the "Holy Land Foundation" case.  Funding terrorism not directly related to 9/11 is better.



"It was indeed named as an “unindicted co-conspirator or joint venturer” in the Holy Land Foundation case--an Islamic charity that in 2008 was convicted of funding Islamic militant groups"

federal Judge Jorge A. Solis denied CAIR’s request that its name be publicly striken from the list. He said that the government “has produced ample evidence” to establish the association of CAIR and other organizations with entities such as the Holy Land Foundation, the Islamic Association for Palestine and with the Hamas militant group.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/fact-checker/post/the-king-hearings-is-cair-a-terrorist-organization/2011/03/10/AB3AdTQ_blog.html?utm_term=.097ae0d8bf9a

Still looking for that consistency.

[Sociopathicsteelerfan]

(05-23-2019, 01:00 PM)Bengalzona Wrote: Yup. The American public aren't too vindictive when it comes to sexual impropriety among Presidents. It makes for juicy gossip. But in the end, it winds up being a double-edged sword. On the one hand, it shows POTUS's moral character as being low. On the other hand, it shows the POTUS as being virile. That trend goes back way before Clinton or even JFK.

All true.  Add in the fact that this occurred prior to his election, and that it was a known quantity makes the Stormy Daniels thing a stupid, and IMO irrelevant, side story worthy of tabloid coverage only. 

[Belsnickel]

(05-23-2019, 02:06 PM)Sociopathicsteelerfan Wrote: All true.  Add in the fact that this occurred prior to his election, and that it was a known quantity makes the Stormy Daniels thing a stupid, and IMO irrelevant, side story worthy of tabloid coverage only. 

That Trump is a philanderer, a cheat, a liar, etc., etc., was a known quantity. This specific incident, and the potential criminal act, weren't. I don't think that changes much, but still. Pointing out the moral failings of the man will certainly come to nothing because his supporters will label it as "fake news," if they ever even hear about it. So many of them are only getting information from sources that won't tell them about these sorts of things.

[Vas Deferens]

(05-23-2019, 02:06 PM)Sociopathicsteelerfan Wrote: All true.  Add in the fact that this occurred prior to his election, and that it was a known quantity makes the Stormy Daniels thing a stupid, and IMO irrelevant, side story worthy of tabloid coverage only. 

I completely understand where you're coming from, this is relatively low level compared to the numerous other charges against daddy.  While he did pay to diddle old bigguns before the election, he continued lying about it well after.  I think that is relevant.  If he's willing to adamantly lie about something as dumb as pushing the mushroom into cavern, how can one trust him to be forthright in much more serious matters?  Its just another mark on his credibility.

But again, I don't care about his involvement in extramarital prostitution.  Cummy was a wiling participant and Melania definitely wouldnt have been surprised. 

[Sociopathicsteelerfan]

(05-23-2019, 02:19 PM)Belsnickel Wrote: That Trump is a philanderer, a cheat, a liar, etc., etc., was a known quantity. This specific incident, and the potential criminal act, weren't. I don't think that changes much, but still. Pointing out the moral failings of the man will certainly come to nothing because his supporters will label it as "fake news," if they ever even hear about it. So many of them are only getting information from sources that won't tell them about these sorts of things.

We have a different opinion on the validity of the campaign finance violation charge.  No need to rehash it here.  I do agree with your assessment of Trump, but I've never really cared about the sexual proclivities of adults as long as they occur between consenting adults or don't hurt anyone.

(05-23-2019, 02:21 PM)Vas Deferens Wrote: I completely understand where you're coming from, this is relatively low level compared to the numerous other charges against daddy.  While he did pay to diddle old bigguns before the election, he continued lying about it well after.  I think that is relevant.  If he's willing to adamantly lie about something as dumb as pushing the mushroom into cavern, how can one trust him to be forthright in much more serious matters?  Its just another mark on his credibility.

But again, I don't care about his involvement in extramarital prostitution.  Cummy was a wiling participant and Melania definitely wouldnt have been surprised. 

A valid argument can be made that he was sticking to the NDA that Daniels violated when he denied the affair.  I know some will scoff at that assertion, but insisting nothing happened when you agreed to not speak about it is not the same as lying about an incident in which there was no NDA.  In any event, I find Daniels' whole story as revealing of her character as Trumps.  She took his money willingly and then violated a legal agreement.  She's reaping the rewards of that now as the left has moved on and she's no longer the hero of the moment.  Plus she has to pay Trump's legal fees.  She lost on pretty much all fronts.