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I have to say the fact that millions of Americans are going to spend the rest of their lives on this mortal coil furious with their country because of Donald flippin' Trump is just sad. America...we loved you until Trump told us you cheated us.
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Quote:The attorney leading President Donald Trump’s recount effort in Wisconsin voted illegally according to his own legal argument that in-person absentee ballots should be thrown out. So did his wife.
Jim Troupis, a former Dane County judge and Cross Plains attorney who is representing the Trump campaign, would not answer questions about why he and his wife voted that way.
Troupis and his wife voted early using the state's in-person absentee option — one of a group of voters whose ballots the Trump campaign has asked election officials to deem illegal.
Their names appeared on exhibits Troupis submitted to the Dane County Board of Canvassers on Sunday, during the county's third day of retallying ballots. The exhibits include lists of voters who voted in a manner the campaign alleges is illegal, an argument the Board of Canvassers has rejected. The information was provided by Dane County to both campaigns.
"I'm sure I'm on that list," he said, while referring other questions to the recount effort's communications team, which includes Republican Party of Wisconsin Chairman Andrew Hitt. Hitt did not immediately answer questions.
President Donald Trump asked for the recount after President-elect Joe Biden defeated him by about 20,000 votes in Wisconsin. The recount began Friday, with the retallying of ballots beginning in earnest on Saturday. In Milwaukee, election officials said Sunday that counting would continue until after Thanksgiving.
Troupis introduced the exhibits of absentee voter lists on Sunday as a way to establish evidence for an expected legal challenge.
Diane Welsh, an attorney for Biden's campaign, objected to the Trump campaign doing so in the midst of the recount.
"This is not a litigation prep session, this is a recount,” Welsh, a Madison attorney, said during a short hearing at Monona Terrace Community and Convention Center in Madison where the recount is taking place.
When the recount began in Madison on Friday, the Trump campaign quickly raised objections aimed at tossing tens of thousands of ballots — objections that were rejected. In Milwaukee, its initial objections were more procedural.
Christ Troupis, another representative for Trump’s campaign and the brother of Jim Troupis, told the Dane County Board of Canvassers on Friday when the recount began that it should eliminate all in-person early votes; all mailed-in absentee ballots if written applications for them could not be tracked down; all votes submitted by those who say they are indefinitely confined; and all absentee ballots where clerks wrote in the addresses of witnesses.
In Milwaukee County, Trump campaign attorney Stewart Karge asked to review or receive copies of absentee ballot applications and to reject ballots that could not be reconciled.
“I’m not authorized to grant that request for the reasons stated in the election guide,” Board of Canvassing Chair Tim Posnanski said. He added that even if it weren’t laid out in the election guide, he felt the Election Commission did not have the ability to comply with records requests.
The Trump campaign has filed an open records request with the City of Milwaukee to view copies of the absentee ballot requests. Karge said he did not think that request would be fulfilled in a timely manner.
Bayside, Brown Deer, Cudahy, Hales Corners, Greendale and Oak Creek have completed their recounts, Milwaukee County Clerk George Christenson said early Sunday afternoon.
Shorewood, Franklin, Wauwatosa and the City of Milwaukee were working on their recounts Sunday, he said.
“The City of Milwaukee has started running their ballots, processing their ballots — finally,” he said.
The city’s counting had been delayed because there were so many objections to ballot envelopes, Christenson said, adding that the city lost two days of counting.
The county remains behind the schedule it had set, which had the recount ending Wednesday. He said elections officials still plan to meet the Dec. 1 deadline to finish the recount, but they’ll be working “well past Thanksgiving.”
Christenson said objections delay the process because the Board of Canvassers must come together to rule on them.
The most recent issue to arise was observers taking pictures of ballots, which potentially raises problems because it could be possible to identify individual voters in communities that use central count facilities to tally their absentee ballots, Christenson said.
“We have agreed already to provide all of the images of the ballots cast throughout this recount to the Trump campaign and the Biden campaign, but we will redact any voter numbers that are listed for central count,” he said.
Christenson estimated a “handful” of people had been removed from the recount over the last three days, largely for “unruly behavior” or a violation of the mask requirement.
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Well I guess that's that...
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I wonder who wrote this for him? Almost rational, not in all caps...
...and after the GSA funds were already released.
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(11-23-2020, 08:28 PM)GMDino Wrote: Well I guess that's that...
"I have dedicated much of my adult life to public service, and I have always strived to do what is right... I was never directly or indirectly pressured by any Executive Branch official... I did not receive any direction to delay my determination."
What a lying asshole.
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(11-23-2020, 08:32 PM)GMDino Wrote: I wonder who wrote this for him? Almost rational, not in all caps...
...and after the GSA funds were already released.
Those are Dan Scavino tweets.
"A great democracy has got to be progressive, or it will soon cease to be either great or a democracy..." - TR
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Trump lost yet again, this time in a federal appeal of the scathing dismissal last week of his PA mail in ballot suit.
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This guy shoulda read the fine print!
A donor who gave $2.5 million to a pro-Trump group looking for election fraud wants his money back after disappointing results
https://www.businessinsider.com/donor-25m-group-trying-find-election-fraud-wants-refund-report-2020-11
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(11-27-2020, 09:28 PM)Nately120 Wrote: This guy shoulda read the fine print!
A donor who gave $2.5 million to a pro-Trump group looking for election fraud wants his money back after disappointing results
https://www.businessinsider.com/donor-25m-group-trying-find-election-fraud-wants-refund-report-2020-11
Meanwhile in WI...
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Trump has 'em right where he wants 'em!
Wait....
https://www.nytimes.com/2020/09/02/us/politics/trump-people-vote-twice.html
Quote:Trump Encourages People in North Carolina to Vote Twice, Which Is Illegal
The president’s suggestion, which he framed as a way to test the security of elections systems, constituted the kind of voter fraud he has railed against.
President Trump on Wednesday suggested that people in North Carolina stress-test the security of their elections systems by voting twice — an act that constitutes the kind of voter fraud the president has railed against.
Mr. Trump made the comment in a briefing with reporters, where he was asked about his faith in the state’s system for voting by mail, which is expected to be more expansive in the 2020 presidential election than in previous years because of concerns about the spread of the coronavirus.
Mr. Trump encouraged people to send in an absentee ballot and then go vote in person on Election Day.
“Let them send it in and let them go vote, and if their system’s as good as they say it is, then obviously they won’t be able to vote,” the president said. “If it isn’t tabulated, they’ll be able to vote.”
“That’s the way it is,” he added. “And that’s what they should do.”
Voting twice in the same election is illegal.
But Mr. Trump’s suggestion that people should vote twice is one he has discussed privately with aides in recent weeks amid concerns he is depressing turnout among his supporters by raising alarms about the security of mail-in voting.
https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/2020-election/trump-tells-supporters-vote-twice-ensure-their-precious-vote-has-n1239194
Quote:Trump has frequently criticized mail-in voting as rife with fraud, an argument that not only lacks evidence but also is at odds with his campaign's attempt to get his supporters to cast their ballots by mail. Democrats have been pushing to expand access to mail-in voting in response to the coronavirus pandemic, which they say is necessary to ensure safety.
In a series of posts Thursday on Twitter, Trump appeared to encourage all of his supporters to test the system by mailing in ballots and then visiting polling places.
Trump called on supporters to return their ballots "as EARLY as possible."
Then, he said, "on Election Day, or Early Voting, go to your Polling Place to see whether or not your Mail In Vote has been Tabulated (Counted)."
He said that if voters are told that their ballots had already been tabulated, "you will not be able to Vote & the Mail In System worked properly."
But if voters are told that their ballots had not been counted, they should vote in person at their polling places, he said. Trump argued that if voters cast two ballots, election officials will not count the mailed-in ballots.
"YOU ARE NOW ASSURED THAT YOUR PRECIOUS VOTE HAS BEEN COUNTED, it hasn't been 'lost, thrown out, or in any way destroyed,'" he wrote on Twitter.
Trump's statements appear to ignore the complexity of the laws governing the voting process. Each state has its own laws dictating how elections should be conducted, when absentee votes are tabulated and how officials verify that someone is not trying to vote twice.
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In a number of states, officials do not begin to count mail-in ballots until Election Day or in the days that immediately precede it, although lawmakers in some states are trying to adjust those timelines. In some states, officials would not be able to verify whether mail-in ballots had been tabulated. Many states offer voters the ability to track their mail-in-ballots online.
Both Twitter and Facebook slapped warning labels on the posts, which were cross-posted to each platform, Thursday afternoon.
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Not sure if it goes here or not, but a federal judge just advanced a lawsuit against a Russian mob-tied associate of Trump who supposedly laundered money through Trump Soho among other things. It's almost like the President of the United States is associated with a lot of criminals and grifters.
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If you can win then just ask a judge to say to did win.
I can't believe some of you still support this "man".
https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/politics/elections/2020/12/01/trump-michigan-election-results/6474733002/
Quote:Trump allies to Michigan judge: Force Gov. Whitmer to overturn Biden's win, give state to president
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Detroit Free Press
Allies of President Donald Trump want a federal court in Michigan to force state leaders to set aside election results and award its 16 electoral votes to the president.
A separate conservative group also wants the Michigan Supreme Court to invalidate the results that show President-elect Joe Biden won the state.
The latest lawsuit, filed in the Eastern District of Michigan and before the state's highest court, rely on unfounded allegations of widespread fraud and misconduct that judges in the state and across the country have previously rejected. Neither has a high likelihood of success.
There is no evidence of mass fraud or wrongdoing that affected election operations in Michigan or elsewhere. Biden earned roughly 154,000 more votes than Trump in Michigan.
More:Trump again falsely claims he won Michigan and that Detroit had more voters than people
More:Trump withdraws federal lawsuit in Michigan, citing Wayne County canvasser affidavits
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Last week, the Michigan Board of State Canvassers formally certified the results.
But the federal lawsuit, filed by Trump-affiliated attorney Sidney Powell and a cadre of other lawyers, wants a judge to force Gov. Gretchen Whitmer and Michigan Secretary of State Jocelyn Benson to "decertify" those results. They want to act before Dec. 14, when the Electoral College is set to meet and Biden will receive the more than 270 votes needed to formally secure the presidency.
"The multifaceted schemes and artifices implemented by defendants and their collaborators to defraud resulted in the unlawful counting, or manufacturing, of hundreds of thousands of illegal, ineligible, duplicate or purely fictitious ballots in the State of Michigan, that constitute a multiple of Biden’s purported lead in the State," the lawsuit reads in part.
Although the city of Detroit is not named in the lawsuit, it's seeking to intervene. Lawyers for the city argue the allegations of misconduct focus on Detroit, so the city should be allowed to have a say in the proceedings.
“This lawsuit dredges up baseless conspiracy theories that have been debunked and rejected every time they have been reviewed by a court. This particular suit is filed by an attorney whose claims are so detached from reality that even the Trump campaign has disavowed any association with her," said David Fink, lead attorney representing Detroit.
On Sunday, those filing the lawsuit reiterated their request for a judge to take immediate action. They also asked the judge to let them file several additional documents under seal, meaning they would not be widely accessible. They argue the people making the documents have such sensitive information that being named publicly and providing these details would risk endangering themselves and their families.
The lawsuit relies on a series of debunked or discredited theories. That includes allegations that ballot tabulating software crafted by confederates of deceased Venezuelan dictator Hugo Chavez helped further a massive international conspiracy against Trump, carried out in Michigan and other swing states in order to secure Biden's victory.
There is more at the link but really it doesn't matter.
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Here's a story about Trump attacking the Gov of Arizona for certifying their election results:
https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/politics/elections/2020/12/01/president-trump-slams-arizona-gov-ducey-after-election-certification/6474822002/
Pertinent part for the "law and order" President to consider.
Quote:President made expectations clear
Ducey did not immediately address the president's comments Monday. But his staff had previously disputed media reports that Arizona's results created a rift between the politicians.
And while Ducey was signing the certification documents Monday, his cell phone buzzed with the ringtone of "Hail to the Chief." Ducey previously has said he set that for calls coming from the White House. On Monday, he muted the ring tone and set the phone aside, continuing to sign documents that made Trump's loss official.
Later Monday, Ducey made several posts on Twitter defending his actions in certifying the vote and defending election integrity in Arizona, given the state's long history of voting by mail and other laws in place to prevent voter fraud. He didn't mention the president by name, or specifically reference his comments.
"The problems that exist in other states simply don't apply here. I've also said all along, I'm going to follow the law. So here's what the law says," Ducey wrote.
He continued, adding:
Quote:"It requires the Secretary of State, in the presence of the Governor and the Attorney General, to canvass the election on the fourth Monday following the general election. That was today. This can ONLY be delayed if counties DECLINE to certify their results. ALL 15 counties in Arizona — counties run by both parties — certified their results. The canvass of the election triggers a 5-day window for any elector to bring a credible challenge to the election results in court. If you want to contest the results, now is the time. Bring your challenges. That’s the law. I’ve sworn an oath to uphold it, and I take my responsibility seriously."
That call during the certification was hilarious!
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We've moved to the stage where the bunker ***** is begging governors on twitter to just give him the win and ignore the election because it clearly was fraudulent even if we don't know how it was fraudulent.
Also, "big massive dumps"
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Also saw a report today old Rudy has already asked Trump for a preemptive pardon.
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