Election Challenges, Protests, Conspiracy Theories, and Moral Panics

[Au165]

Quick question, does anyone not think that if the Republicans lose the senate seats in Georgia they are going to sue to try and have those results thrown out?

[BmorePat87]

(12-11-2020, 01:14 PM)Au165 Wrote: Quick question, does anyone not think that if the Republicans lose the senate seats in Georgia they are going to sue to try and have those results thrown out?

They absolutely will repeat this same pathetic display after this current pathetic displays discourages their voters from trusting the voting system in Georgia leading to the loss that they will inevitably challenge, never once stopping to acknowledge that they caused their voters to not show up. 

[GMDino]

Graham saying what a lot of us are saying:  Many in the GOP are beholden to Trump and will continue to be even after he is out of office.

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/us-politics/trump-shadow-president-biden-term-lindsey-graham-b1768751.html

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Quote:[url=https://www.independent.co.uk/topic/lindsey-graham]Lindsey Graham predicts that Donald Trump's grip on politics will endure throughout Joe Biden's term in office, effectively making the defeated incumbent a "shadow president".


The South Carolina senator said Mr Trump's hold over the Republican Party and vast swathes of its electoral base could make it difficult for GOP lawmakers on Capitol Hill to back legislation opposed by the outgoing president.

It comes as Mr Trump continues to falsely claim that he won the election and reportedly plans for an "opposition rally" at president-elect Joe Biden's 20 January inauguration.


Despite losing both the popular vote and the electoral college at the 2020 election, Mr Trump secured some 74 million votes - up from 62 million in 2016 and more than other defeated presidential candidate in history.

That increased vote share has the president reportedly mulling over another run for the White House in 2024.  


Before then, he could be a thorn in the side of lawmakers hoping to get business done on a bipartisan basis, according to Mr Graham, who believes Mr Trump is favourite for the GOP nomination for president in four years' time.


"He has a lot of sway over the Republican Party," he told The Atlantic in an interview published earlier this week, while still not acknowledging Mr Biden's win.


Mr Graham is among a number of GOP politicians and officials who refuse to acknowledge, at least publicly, that Mr Trump has lost the election.


"If he objects to anything Biden [does], it would be hard to get Republicans on board," Mr Graham went on.
He added: "If he blessed some kind of deal, it would be easier to get something done. In many ways, he’ll be a shadow president.”

The idea of a shadow leader, common in parliamentary systems such as the UK where the opposition party receives public money to set up an office to hold the government to account, is unheard of in the US.


With no office to support them, the defeated presidential candidate usually pursues other endeavours after leaving the White House.




But with a large war chest built up and an army of supporters behind him, Mr Trump may have other ideas.
“Grover Cleveland did it," Mr Graham added, referencing the Democratic president who lost out to Benjamin Harrison but won the next election.


Mr Trump running again is the "best thing for the party, frankly,” according to Mr Graham.


Meanwhile, on Monday, Mr Trump said that his campaign will join an improbable case before the US Supreme Court challenging election results in Pennsylvania and other states.


His latest move came after the Supreme Court rejected a last-gasp bid to reverse Pennsylvania's certification of US president-elect Joe Biden's victory in the state.


The court has asked for responses by Thursday.


Out of the roughly 50 lawsuits filed around the country contesting the 3 November vote, Mr Trump has lost more than 35 and the others are pending, according to an Associated Press tally.


The suit from the Texas attorney general, Republican Ken Paxton, demands that the 62 total electoral college votes in Georgia, Michigan, Pennsylvania and Wisconsin be invalidated. That is enough if set aside, to swing the election to Mr Trump.


Mr Paxton's suit repeats a litany of false, disproven and unsupported allegations about postal votes and voting in the four battleground states.


Mr Trump said: "We will be intervening in the Texas (plus many other states) case. This is the big one. Our Country needs a victory."


Legal experts dismissed Mr Paxton's filing as the latest and perhaps longest legal shot since election day, and officials in the four states have sharply criticised Mr Paxton.


The Supreme Court refused to call into question the certification process in Pennsylvania. Governor Tom Wolf has already certified Mr Biden's victory and the state's 20 electors are to meet on December 14 to cast their votes for the former vice president.


Mr Biden won 306 electoral votes, so even if Pennsylvania's results had been in doubt, he still would have more than the 270 electoral votes needed to become president.

[*Nately120*]

(12-11-2020, 01:14 PM)Au165 Wrote: Quick question, does anyone not think that if the Republicans lose the senate seats in Georgia they are going to sue to try and have those results thrown out?

I don't see why they would accept it.  Denying a loss for republicans is a win-win.  First off you can pretend you won, and second whether you won or not your supporters are beginning to expect you to fight a loss, regardless.  Saying that an election was fair and that democrats weren't cheating is loser talk, now. Isn't it? If you lose you have to fight it, and if you win you have to point out that you won even though the other side was cheating their asses off. There is absolutely no downside for them claiming the GA election was a fraud-riddled farce, win or lose.

Perhaps I'm going overboard, but the GOP let Trump get his foot in the door and he's turned one of the major political parties into a conspiracy-spouting, everyone is out to get us, the country is silencing us party that is more akin to a lunatic fringe than a mainstream political party that is going to win roughly 50% of the time just because.

We let a major party turn into a conspiracy-fueled mess, and tens of millions of voters all ok with it because hey, it's a real political party...how nuts could they be?  Crazy people are democrats or one of those "can't win" parties, right?

We didn't change the channel, so the channel changed us.

[NATI BENGALS]

(12-11-2020, 01:58 PM)GMDino Wrote: Graham saying what a lot of us are saying:  Many in the GOP are beholden to Trump and will continue to be even after he is out of office.

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/us-politics/trump-shadow-president-biden-term-lindsey-graham-b1768751.html

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I think what he is trying to say is that Trump will be the leader of the “deep state.”

[*Nately120*]

(12-11-2020, 03:23 PM)NATI BENGALS Wrote: I think what he is trying to say is that Trump will be the leader of the “deep state.”

Trump is going to be the president to a number of people until the day he dies, and that's just all there is to it.  The only question is if his heirs will take over after he's gone or if they'll just stick to their usual grifts.  There is nothing, other than actual logic, preventing people from treating the Trump's as their personal earthly deities and sources of wisdom/direction. 

[Au165]

Welp the Texas lawsuit just got serious as the states of New California and New Nevada have submitted amicus briefs now. Yep, we now have fake states signing on to this lawsuit.

[BengalHawk62]

https://www.msnbc.com/the-reidout/watch/106-house-republicans-17-state-ags-back-anti-democracy-lawsuit-to-try-and-overturn-2020-election-97513541639?cid=sm_npd_ms_fb_ma&fbclid=IwAR2I908TonRY0TDCRwOJhMjEtMWKyvxe79mzmq7w4fb9vPSgTm3I5rAeCQ4

[Au165]

So apparently the "wrath of Trump" isn't that scary as the House and Senate passed the defense bill with a veto-proof majority which Trump demanded not be passed without changes to laws governing liability on the internet. I guess that means the whole idea of everyone just humoring him as to not get dragged by his base may be giving them too much credit, they all may just in fact agree with his crazy ass.

[Sociopathicsteelerfan]

(12-11-2020, 04:22 PM)Au165 Wrote: So apparently the "wrath of Trump" isn't that scary as the House and Senate passed the defense bill with a veto-proof majority which Trump demanded not be passed without changes to laws governing liability on the internet. I guess that means the whole idea of everyone just humoring him as to not get dragged by his base may be giving them too much credit, they all may just in fact agree with his crazy ass.

Or they did a cost benefit analysis on this particular issue.  It doesn't have to be a black and white either/or scenario.

[GMDino]

(12-11-2020, 04:22 PM)Au165 Wrote: So apparently the "wrath of Trump" isn't that scary as the House and Senate passed the defense bill with a veto-proof majority which Trump demanded not be passed without changes to laws governing liability on the internet. I guess that means the whole idea of everyone just humoring him as to not get dragged by his base may be giving them too much credit, they all may just in fact agree with his crazy ass.

It's a defense bill...even Trump can't stop that no matter what else is in there.

[TheUberHuber]

O"h sweet summer child, I can guarantee you there's something to uncover during every presidency that they'd rather remain hidden."

I think Jimmy Carter would have something to say about that. 

[Big Boss]

SCOTUS denied Texas' lawsuit.

Don't seat the 126 puppets who played along with this farce.

[*Nately120*]

(12-11-2020, 08:43 PM)Big Boss Wrote: SCOTUS denied Texas' lawsuit.

Don't seat the 126 puppets who played along with this farce.

6-3 republican leaning SC helped Biden steal the election.  Is it time for Trump supporters to abandon the republican party or are they just going to bend over and take this?  C'mon people, show some spine!

[Big Boss]

(12-11-2020, 09:10 PM)Nately120 Wrote: 6-3 republican leaning SC helped Biden steal the election.  Is it time for Trump supporters to abandon the republican party or are they just going to bend over and take this?  C'mon people, show some spine!

Trumpets are full-on melting down on Twitter.

[Big Boss]

Even better:

[*Nately120*]

(12-11-2020, 09:14 PM)Big Boss Wrote: Trumpets are full-on melting down on Twitter.

Good.  Reminds me of when back in the day when my sister was crying about something her asshole boyfriend did and our ol' man just said to her "remember how you feel right now when he calls later to apologize."

Come on republicans, there is no need to keep supporting the political party that gave you those three spineless SC justices you wanted so badly.  Give in!

[NATI BENGALS]

(12-11-2020, 09:10 PM)Nately120 Wrote: 6-3 republican leaning SC helped Biden steal the election.  Is it time for Trump supporters to abandon the republican party or are they just going to bend over and take this?  C'mon people, show some spine!

I’m with you. Boycott the Georgia runoffs and everything. Time to form a new political powerhouse. No more GOP. Time to roll with the new party. SCAM. Super Conservative American Men.

Gonna start recruiting on parlor soon. 99% of donations to the stop the steal cause will go to gold toilets at Mara lago. And if you pay the $250,000 membership fee you can actual look at the golden toilets.!!

[GMDino]

Can the Trumpalos and Qberts find a way to spin this as a secret win?

Of course they can. pic.twitter.com/idETd68UOa

— NewHatState (@Popehat) December 12, 2020

[GMDino]

They seem to be handling it well...

"I may never vote again" - I approve of this message. https://t.co/Z2cxNbXI0H

— ☢️SnarkyAntifaNun☢️ (@WendyLeighS) December 12, 2020