03-19-2021, 10:13 AM
It is tough to answer into all that, really.
Well, I'm not made out to be the greatest defender of religion of any kind, but this seems to be a bit narrow.
I don't think Christianity is automatically to blame here. People can be sexually repressed for lots of reasons. One of them is being repressed by religion, another one is the inability to appear attractive, and there are way more.
It is a tough call to make such an incident about a systemic issue with one specific background, especially when the actual motivation is not clear yet.
Just my impression. You tried to imply that police treated the suspect differently because he was white. You said they downplay the deed. You seemed to mock the claim that it's too early to tell if it's a racially motivated crime. It seemed a bit much.
Not that I want to defend everything. Saying he had a bad day was worthy of critizism.
Of course they are. Many stereotypes are also a thing. Almost all of them, probably. I would even go as far as to claim that asians can't drive didn't exactly fall out of the air. You'd still don't want to judge based on things that are a thing.
Jumping to conclusions is also a thing, especially to convenient ones.
Are white guys killing lots of Asian women in massage parlors typical, as in visible in crime statistics? I mean, maybe there's an answer to that, but imho the bar for any such statistic being able to serve as an useful description has to be quite high.
As for incels, I don't know that really. This will become an issue across all races and I would shy away from tieing it to the white one. The 'incel' term/group specifically, I don't really know the definition or what their underlying maybe racially motivated beliefs are. As far as I can tell, the unifying thing is misogyny. Btw. isn't it a bit weird that the victim's race gets more attention than their gender.
(03-18-2021, 08:59 AM)GMDino Wrote: I never said he couldn't get laid. I said he was sexually repressed which is something that Christianity tries to do. Sex is bad. If you want sex you are bad. Even THINKING about sex is bad. Until you are married...then make lots of new Christians.
Well, I'm not made out to be the greatest defender of religion of any kind, but this seems to be a bit narrow.
I don't think Christianity is automatically to blame here. People can be sexually repressed for lots of reasons. One of them is being repressed by religion, another one is the inability to appear attractive, and there are way more.
It is a tough call to make such an incident about a systemic issue with one specific background, especially when the actual motivation is not clear yet.
(03-18-2021, 08:59 AM)GMDino Wrote: As a Christian, white male, I've seen it. I did use a stereotype..one based on things I have seen...but race didn't matter because I was talking about a real person who was white.
Just my impression. You tried to imply that police treated the suspect differently because he was white. You said they downplay the deed. You seemed to mock the claim that it's too early to tell if it's a racially motivated crime. It seemed a bit much.
Not that I want to defend everything. Saying he had a bad day was worthy of critizism.
(03-18-2021, 08:59 AM)GMDino Wrote: The sexually repressed male is a thing. He being a white Christian was specific...but the the sexually repressed white male Christian is also a thing.
Of course they are. Many stereotypes are also a thing. Almost all of them, probably. I would even go as far as to claim that asians can't drive didn't exactly fall out of the air. You'd still don't want to judge based on things that are a thing.
Jumping to conclusions is also a thing, especially to convenient ones.
(03-18-2021, 11:30 AM)Dill Wrote: Hollo, The "replacement test" can be a useful exploratory tool for social analysis.
E.g., how would it sound if we replaced "Black History Month" with "White History Month"?
My only question about replacing "white" with "black" or "Asian" in your example would be--does it usefully describe the behavior of the demographic group in question? It wouldn't "sound good" if there are no, or a statistically irrelevant number, of repressed religious black men who can't get laid and so kill women. That would raise some interesting exploratory questions--like how many Black men identify as "incels"?
Your replacement would "sound good" to me, if such a category of persons becomes visible in crime statistics. I would leave off the term "typical" though--at least for a while.
Are white guys killing lots of Asian women in massage parlors typical, as in visible in crime statistics? I mean, maybe there's an answer to that, but imho the bar for any such statistic being able to serve as an useful description has to be quite high.
As for incels, I don't know that really. This will become an issue across all races and I would shy away from tieing it to the white one. The 'incel' term/group specifically, I don't really know the definition or what their underlying maybe racially motivated beliefs are. As far as I can tell, the unifying thing is misogyny. Btw. isn't it a bit weird that the victim's race gets more attention than their gender.
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