05-03-2021, 12:53 PM
(05-03-2021, 12:13 PM)fredtoast Wrote: You havr no basis in fact to back up this allegation. You have no idea how a majority of gun owners behave.
SSF has said many times that no gun owner he knows would tell the truth about if they own guns or how many they own.
I am not saying all gun owners act this way. But almost half (40%) of gunowners whose guns somehow make it to a crime scene don't report them stolen until the gun is tracked back to them.
What percentage of gun owners have had firearms stolen?
As to SSF's statements, that and my position are not mutually exclusive. Responsible gun owners, even ones that would not give you information on what they own, will absolutely report them stolen if it were to happen. They don't want guns in the hands of criminals any more than you do. Your comments make it seem like you think gun owners don't care about gun violence or gun crime in general, but that is the furthest thing from the truth. We want gun violence numbers to go down, but the gun control measures being proposed don't have the evidence behind them to justify them. Root cause mitigation would be a better option that doesn't potentially infringe on civil liberties.
It's a lot like the abortion debate. Pro-life/anti-choice folks are a lot like the gun control side of things. They think outlawing the procedure would make abortion numbers go down. Their position, at least with current case law, violates civil liberties. It also isn't well founded in the evidence. The evidence says that the best way to lower abortion rates is to provide a solid foundation of sex education in our schools and make family planning options widely available and inexpensive. That's been a proven way to lower abortion rates while banning the procedure has not has as significant an impact on the rates and it has resulted in an increase in mothers dying in childbirth or through back-alley procedures.
In both scenarios, people on both sides are concerned about the numbers. Gun owners and gun control proponents want a decline in gun crimes. Pro-choice and pro-life folks all want lower abortion rates. We just approach it differently.
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"The test of our progress is not whether we add more to the abundance of those who have much; it is whether we provide enough for those who have too little." - FDR
