05-03-2021, 01:01 PM
(05-03-2021, 12:53 PM)Belsnickel Wrote: What percentage of gun owners have had firearms stolen?
As to SSF's statements, that and my position are not mutually exclusive. Responsible gun owners, even ones that would not give you information on what they own, will absolutely report them stolen if it were to happen. They don't want guns in the hands of criminals any more than you do. Your comments make it seem like you think gun owners don't care about gun violence or gun crime in general, but that is the furthest thing from the truth. We want gun violence numbers to go down, but the gun control measures being proposed don't have the evidence behind them to justify them. Root cause mitigation would be a better option that doesn't potentially infringe on civil liberties.
Good lord, it honestly baffles me why he continues to deliberately lie about other people's positions and statements. We all know he does it. We can all read the thread and see he's doing it. Yet, he continues to engage in this behavior. It comes off as compulsive.
Quote:It's a lot like the abortion debate. Pro-life/anti-choice folks are a lot like the gun control side of things. They think outlawing the procedure would make abortion numbers go down. Their position, at least with current case law, violates civil liberties. It also isn't well founded in the evidence. The evidence says that the best way to lower abortion rates is to provide a solid foundation of sex education in our schools and make family planning options widely available and inexpensive. That's been a proven way to lower abortion rates while banning the procedure has not has as significant an impact on the rates and it has resulted in an increase in mothers dying in childbirth or through back-alley procedures.
In both scenarios, people on both sides are concerned about the numbers. Gun owners and gun control proponents want a decline in gun crimes. Pro-choice and pro-life folks all want lower abortion rates. We just approach it differently.
An excellent analogy. Coincidentally, the ways the anti side attempt to chip away at both is identical as well. I applaud you for still trying, here, but you know this won't get through.
