05-05-2021, 11:12 AM
Rather than respond to Dill's points one at a time I will, for the benefit of all reading, only make a general statement. A national registry would, at times, make identification of a lawful gun owner easier. But SSF, you're directly contradicting an earlier statement. Just hold on. It would assist, but not nearly to the degree that Fred claims as his scenarios are far from commonplace. Fred is typically over exaggerating his position, you'll notice while providing zero proof to back his claims other than his arguing from expertise (someone around here doesn't usually like that, I just can't remember who). But yes, there are occasions in which a national registry would assist law enforcement in this regard.
You know what would help law enforcement a millions times more? A national DNA registry. If everyone was required to submit their DNA to a national databank law enforcement could solve slews of crimes that now go unsolved. Found bodies could be immediately identified, and DNA left on scene would lead directly to the person who left it. It is no exaggeration to say that this would help solve hundreds of thousands of crimes. Now, how would a national DNA registry impact your civil liberties? Let's say you need a court order to access it. You'll never be affected unless you're a criminal. Seems there's zero downside to this right? Everyone ok with it? No potential for further abuse down the road, right?
The real question here isn't Fred's claims that he cannot substantiate. The real question here is, is the impact on our civil liberties, both immediate, and the potential for further infringement down the road, worth this loss of personal and civil liberty? Now, if you're a person who's consistent at all then your answer to both a national registry of firearms and a national DNA registry must be the same. The only difference of substance between the two is that a DNA database would actually have an enormous impact on stopping and solving crime, while a national firearms registry would have a very small one.
Don't even get me started about a GPS tracking device that we could all have implanted (beyond your phone
). Don't worry, they'll need a court order to activate it, what are you afraid of if you're not a criminal?
You know what would help law enforcement a millions times more? A national DNA registry. If everyone was required to submit their DNA to a national databank law enforcement could solve slews of crimes that now go unsolved. Found bodies could be immediately identified, and DNA left on scene would lead directly to the person who left it. It is no exaggeration to say that this would help solve hundreds of thousands of crimes. Now, how would a national DNA registry impact your civil liberties? Let's say you need a court order to access it. You'll never be affected unless you're a criminal. Seems there's zero downside to this right? Everyone ok with it? No potential for further abuse down the road, right?
The real question here isn't Fred's claims that he cannot substantiate. The real question here is, is the impact on our civil liberties, both immediate, and the potential for further infringement down the road, worth this loss of personal and civil liberty? Now, if you're a person who's consistent at all then your answer to both a national registry of firearms and a national DNA registry must be the same. The only difference of substance between the two is that a DNA database would actually have an enormous impact on stopping and solving crime, while a national firearms registry would have a very small one.
Don't even get me started about a GPS tracking device that we could all have implanted (beyond your phone
). Don't worry, they'll need a court order to activate it, what are you afraid of if you're not a criminal?
