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"Minority Rule"
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(06-02-2021, 08:16 PM)Sociopathicsteelerfan Wrote: Quote: The only way out that I can see is on the analogy to civil disobedience, which honors rule of law in the violation. 

It's interesting that you mention civil disobedience, as it's a great example of what I'm saying above.  A certain lawyer, who doesn't know the law, called me an extremist for pointing out that many otherwise lawful gun owners will outright ignore gun laws such as registering their "assault weapon".  This isn't an academic question either, it's been definitively shown in New York and other states with "assault weapons" registration/bans.  The compliance right is abysmally low.  This is civil disobedience.  However, it receives rather less support than the "civil disobedience" we saw over the past twelve months.  Herein lies the danger in such subjective opinion.  Even morality, in some instances, is hardly a universally agreed upon concept.  Take abortion.  Millions of people legitimately believe that abortion is murdering a child, do you support "civil disobedience" in trying to stop abortion?  What could be more moral than trying to prevent children from being murdered?

How is rule of law honored in the violation here?    Simply ignoring the law =/= civil disobedience.

The act has to be politically framed to catch the attention of political authority,*
and the actor then has to accept punishment as defined by existing law 
(that's how one honors rule of law in the violation). 

Not clear what "subjective opinion" refers to here. 

That people can subscribe to different but rationally constructed moral codes which clash may illustrate "dangers" of one sort or another, but I don't see that such differences/clashes are based on "subjective opinion" especially if the clash is over abortion.  

I don't think abortion, as currently legal in the U.S., is murdering children so no, I wouldn't support efforts to criminalize abortions via civil disobedience or any other means.

*Think of someone publicly burning a draft card and going to jail, as opposed to someone driving through a stop sign because no one was looking.
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"Minority Rule" - Sociopathicsteelerfan - 06-01-2021, 01:13 PM
RE: "Minority Rule" - Nately120 - 06-01-2021, 01:37 PM
RE: "Minority Rule" - hollodero - 06-01-2021, 01:45 PM
RE: "Minority Rule" - Nately120 - 06-01-2021, 01:48 PM
RE: "Minority Rule" - BmorePat87 - 06-01-2021, 01:54 PM
RE: "Minority Rule" - BmorePat87 - 06-01-2021, 02:43 PM
RE: "Minority Rule" - BmorePat87 - 06-01-2021, 03:08 PM
RE: "Minority Rule" - hollodero - 06-02-2021, 11:47 AM
RE: "Minority Rule" - Dill - 06-02-2021, 12:55 PM
RE: "Minority Rule" - michaelsean - 06-02-2021, 01:05 PM
RE: "Minority Rule" - hollodero - 06-02-2021, 01:19 PM
RE: "Minority Rule" - michaelsean - 06-01-2021, 04:22 PM
RE: "Minority Rule" - BmorePat87 - 06-02-2021, 09:05 AM
RE: "Minority Rule" - Dill - 06-02-2021, 09:41 AM
RE: "Minority Rule" - BmorePat87 - 06-02-2021, 05:03 PM
RE: "Minority Rule" - Dill - 06-02-2021, 12:01 AM
RE: "Minority Rule" - BmorePat87 - 06-02-2021, 09:12 AM
RE: "Minority Rule" - Dill - 06-02-2021, 09:49 AM
RE: "Minority Rule" - BmorePat87 - 06-02-2021, 05:07 PM
RE: "Minority Rule" - Belsnickel - 06-01-2021, 04:47 PM
RE: "Minority Rule" - Bengalzona - 06-01-2021, 10:33 PM
RE: "Minority Rule" - CJD - 06-02-2021, 10:48 AM
RE: "Minority Rule" - Belsnickel - 06-02-2021, 01:27 PM
RE: "Minority Rule" - CJD - 06-02-2021, 03:13 PM
RE: "Minority Rule" - Belsnickel - 06-02-2021, 01:30 PM
RE: "Minority Rule" - hollodero - 06-02-2021, 08:43 PM
RE: "Minority Rule" - Dill - 06-03-2021, 12:00 AM
RE: "Minority Rule" - Dill - 06-03-2021, 08:46 AM
RE: "Minority Rule" - Dill - 06-03-2021, 08:55 AM
RE: "Minority Rule" - Dill - 06-04-2021, 06:32 PM
RE: "Minority Rule" - Dill - 06-05-2021, 02:27 PM
RE: "Minority Rule" - Dill - 06-06-2021, 02:36 PM
RE: "Minority Rule" - Dill - 06-06-2021, 05:40 PM
RE: "Minority Rule" - Dill - 06-06-2021, 02:40 PM
RE: "Minority Rule" - Dill - 06-06-2021, 06:19 PM
RE: "Minority Rule" - Dill - 06-07-2021, 01:36 PM
RE: "Minority Rule" - Dill - 06-07-2021, 07:16 PM
RE: "Minority Rule" - Dill - 06-07-2021, 10:56 PM
RE: "Minority Rule" - Dill - 06-08-2021, 12:46 PM
RE: "Minority Rule" - Belsnickel - 06-02-2021, 03:19 PM
RE: "Minority Rule" - NATI BENGALS - 06-03-2021, 01:20 AM
RE: "Minority Rule" - Belsnickel - 06-03-2021, 06:35 AM
RE: "Minority Rule" - Dill - 06-03-2021, 08:51 AM
RE: "Minority Rule" - Belsnickel - 06-03-2021, 09:56 AM
RE: "Minority Rule" - Dill - 06-03-2021, 10:52 AM
RE: "Minority Rule" - Belsnickel - 06-03-2021, 02:52 PM
RE: "Minority Rule" - Belsnickel - 06-06-2021, 05:16 PM
RE: "Minority Rule" - Dill - 06-06-2021, 07:03 PM
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