New Leaked Russian Documents

[Dill]

(07-20-2021, 03:50 PM)Wes Mantooth Wrote: Probably a similar percentage to that of the DNC that beleived that Trump colluded with Russia to win the 2016 election.

Hey this looks like a good point to explore. I found a poll that said 53% of Americans still think Trump colluded with Russia. That was right after Mueller completed his Report. And I could link to polls showing 53% of Republicans still think the election was stolen.  Neat.

So you and I could maybe sort this out through a definitive comparison, starting with this question--

What are the FACTUAL GROUNDS of each each party's "delusion," if these diverse beliefs are such.

And what, for the most part, has been inferred from them? 

I'll start the ball rolling by claiming that grounds for belief in Trump's collusion with Russia starts with what our intel services revealed about the people in his campaign who offered to collude with Russia or actually did. That followed by more circumstantial evidence, like Trump's inability to criticize Putin and his exposing intel to the FSB, even AFTER elected. Dems tend to follow the Mueller report: there was collusion on the part of Trump's campaign, but Trump's actions did not themselves rise to the level of prosecution.

Grounds for the Big Lie are, so far, just lies, stuff Trump, Giuliani and other eager Trumpers claimed but which could not survive investigation, as could, say, FBI, intel on Trump aids.  So what have the majority of Republicans concluded on the basis of these, er, "non facts"? That the election was stolen. And they are still looking for evidence to put Trump back in power.