07-21-2021, 12:33 PM
(07-21-2021, 11:27 AM)Dill Wrote: I assumed you were.
That's why I raised the issue of mass delusion--about the Russia "hoax," the impeachment "witch hunt," and the Big Lie.
Those phenomena indicate an insulated sphere of groupthink based on disinformation, under the control of one person.
Translation; if you disagree with Dill you're involved in a hivemind and can't think for yourself.
(07-21-2021, 12:13 PM)hollodero Wrote: Securing the integrity of the election, hm. I wonder how you would assess Trump calling the Georgia Secretary of State and urging him to just "find", as he said, the exact number of votes for him that would turn the result in his favor, because "give him a break". Would you say that is adding integrity to the elections? Presidents caling Secretaries of State and urging them - including with threats - to just change the results so it fits them better?
if Hillary had ever done that, calling in a favor to just turn an election around that was found to be fair and accurate by every official and every audit, it would be appalling for sure.
Thankfully the GOP also was appalled in this case. Not by Trump though, by their Secretary of State for not obeying Trump. Appears super-integrity first.
Here's the issue with this thread. You can not believe in Trump's "the election was stolen" story and still not have many, or any, issues with the voting restrictions being imposed in states like GA or TX. Here's the real question that should be asked, are there states with even more restrictive voting laws already in place that are not red states, or even deep blue states such as Delaware? If the answer to this question is yes then one must question why these new laws are inviting this level of scrutiny but these other states aren't being mentioned at all.
I'm much more liberal on this issue than most would assume. I have zero issue with election day being a federal holiday. I think any citizen of legal age who wants to to vote should be able to. But I don't think things such as restricting early voting, absentee ballots or requiring an ID to vote prevent anyone who wants to vote from actually doing so. If there are obstacles for some that they cannot personally overcome then change the purpose of groups that, for example collect absentee ballots for people, instead focus on assisting those people in getting what they need to vote, e.g. an ID, a birth certificate, etc.
