11-07-2015, 04:14 PM
(11-07-2015, 03:19 PM)fredtoast Wrote: But you have no right to demand ID unless you have cause to believe they are involved in criminal behavior.
Who used the word "demand" counselor? Oh that's right, you did. Objection overruled.
Quote:For example I have had police pull up when my car had a flat tire and they did not demand ID from me. Police come in contact with people for lots of other reasons other than investigating criminal behavior, and they do not always demand ID.
Were you engaged in a behavior that could result in a citation in this instance? The answer would be no. Was the woman in OP engaged in a behavior that could result in a citation? The answer would be yes. I trust further explanation of my point is unnecessary.
Quote:Would a black person in a shabby old car that had a flat tire in an exclusive, mostly white neighborhood be requested to provide ID? I am saying "Yes". But a white guy in a nice car would probably not. Same reason that the only person I have ever known who got pulled over for not using his turn signal when changing lanes was a long-hired guy who was driving and old VW microbus.
Would a car load of white kids in a mostly black neighborhood be asked to produce ID? I'm saying yes. While you may not like it a person who is out of place arouses a certain level of curiosity or suspicion. Defense lawyers like to pretend this kind of logic doesn't make sense.
Quote:Is that what happened to a black lady in a hoodie in a white neighborhood? Maybe. I don't know for sure, but I can understand why she might have had that opinion.
She can have whatever opinion she wants. In this case her opinion is wrong.
(11-07-2015, 03:24 PM)fredtoast Wrote: I now a good bit about what police do and this is total BS. I have seen tons of cases where officers have claimed they pulled someone over for something like a seat belt violation, but then try to get permission to search the car.
True, and absolutely 100% irrelevant to the point you're replying to.
Quote:I guarantee that this police officer was looking for contraband when he entered the car to get the keys. Since he was not leaving the scene he knew there was no chance that someone would steal the car. That was a total BS excuse for entering the car.
Oh, you guarantee? I'd expect better language from a person in the legal profession. You could say you strongly suspect that the officer did so but you absolutely cannot say you guarantee it. Unless you're the omniscient god we keep talking about around here. Are you that god?
