The Unvaxinated = the Taliban

[Dill]

(08-29-2021, 09:53 PM)Sociopathicsteelerfan Wrote: This man, Obama's former Education Secretary, is a man after Dill's heart.  Remember kids, always compare people you disagree with politically to the worst human scum you can.  Make sure you polarize people further and stir up hatred.  Remember kids, it is our responsibility, nay our duty, to compare our political opponents to Nazis, Isis and the Taliban.  

https://twitter.com/arneduncan/status/1431974283388100612?s=20
Seriously, this kind of thing makes me nauseous.

Doubtful. If it makes you "naseous," then why are you doing it with this post? Again.

I actually don't compare people I disagree with politically "to the worst possible human scum." You have no examples. 

E.g., I have never called you a supporter of ISIS or MS-13. But you have called me such, and that was precisely because I refused to call any other humans scum. Right? Why call me that if you really "despise these types of comparisons"?

I.e., once again you are projecting on me what you regularly do. That's your super power.

If I refuse to call Nazis, ISIS and the Talian "human scum," as you do, then what am I actually doing when I defend the principle of comparison?The comparison, as I understand it, isn't to "human scum." Rather I argue that

1. social scientists and historians are uncovering useful knowledge about authoritarian regimes which can be applicable to current U.S. politics.

2. that the professionals doing that are not engaged in some form of partisan name calling.

3. and that the US right wants to obfuscate that knowledge by characterizing it as simply another form of name calling.

I have articulated this position very clearly on another thread, and explained how your beef is really with social science, the disinterested pursuit of politically useful knowledge about both political forms, past and present.

Instead of refuting the social scientific rationale for studying authoritarian tendencies in other regimes and then applying that knowledge to our own politics at a moment when those same tendencies are appearing, you just broke off discussion because I was too "complex" and "long-winded." Now you are back at it, still not addressing what I have actually said or done, but imputing to me the kind of name calling you regularly engage in.

This really isn't about some "nauseous" name-calling behavior that you are against on some ethical ground and always ready to "call out" on principle.   You, yourself, regularly address "human scum" style verbal abuse, directly to forum members, substituting it for argument. While I do no such thing.

Rather, you just want to block legitimate use of social scientific and historical knowledge in thread discussions. You cannot refute the rationale for its use, so you attempt to characterize it as the same kind of personal attack you regularly engage in. 

It is possible you do not see any distinction between scholarly analysis and name calling. You don't really understand what the thousands of social scientists around the world are doing when they study authoritarianism, the social scientific ethos, methods and goals they operate with. For you, it's just a Trump-with-Hitler-moustache meme if someone notes muptile redflags when a US president encourages minions to find votes, or interrupt the peaceful transfer of power, and millions place his personal leadership over principled party order because they perceive another set of red flags--the "socialists" are taking over, BLM is the problem. etc.--a MIS-percpetion which also has historical precedent.

It would be nice if the moderators would let this thread continue, despite the CoC violation. Perhaps we can settle the matter once and for all. At least I can demonstrate that you don't have a response to my argument, beyond simply repeating what has already been refuted.  I can produce examples of you doing exactly what you accuse me of, and you con produce NO examples of me doing exactly what you accuse me of. Those not interested in following the discussion can just click on another thread. And we won't be "off topic."

That will have a stronger corrective effect on your behavior than deleting your posts or suspending you.