08-30-2021, 08:26 PM
(08-30-2021, 04:29 PM)bengaloo Wrote: I respect your opinion, but I very much disagree with your certainty about all this. Truth is, you have no idea just like the rest of us. You dont know if natural immunity is better than the vaccines. Evidence is beginning to suggest it and more and more people are reporting it all the time and as human beings we would be best served to keep an open mind in times like this. It is all still unfolding, so none of us know how it will turn out in the end, but right now, the popular narrative is once again starting to lose its steam as more raw data comes out proving it wrong and its only just beginning.
(08-30-2021, 04:43 PM)bengaloo Wrote: I know a lot of doctors who completely disagree with what he is saying. And here's the thing, they dont know for sure either, which is kind of my point. So just because someone is a doctor or nurse doesnt mean they are magical and can read the future or know everything there is to know about all things covid related or anything for that matter. Hence why I keep posting counter points to the popular narrative with real data to back it up, telling people we would be best served to keep an open mind. Pfizer's CEO went on CNBC and admitted the vaccine is only 39% effective against delta. Remember, 251,000 people per year die as a result of medical mishap carried out by doctors or nurses. They are not super human and I will not treat them as such. Time will tell about all of this stuff with vaccines, covid, death rates, etc. It's all still in the middle of unfolding, ya know? Which is why I think its a bit too early for the NFL to make such harsh punishments that are vaccine and mask related, back to the threads point. The science behind all of it is completely unsettled at this point.
The history of vaccines date back over a thousand years ago to China. The science of whether vaccines prevent vaccine preventable disease is completely settled no matter how much doubt you try to create. Look up the epidemiology on any vaccine preventable disease before and after introduction of the appropriate vaccine and the evidence is overwhelmingly in favor of their effectiveness.
I’m sure you believe you’re posting data to back up your points, but only because you don’t understand what you’re posting. Or you do understand, but you’re pretending like you don’t. In which case, you’re misinformation becomes disinformation. And your data undermines your own argument.
You’ve argued that “natural” immunity to Covid acquired by having Covid is superior to acquired immunity to Covid by vaccination. However, the type of acquired immunity you get from getting the disease ONLY HAPPENS AFTER YOU GET THE DISEASE.
So what is the effectiveness of that kind of acquired immunity against getting Covid the FIRST time? ZERO. Because you don’t have that type of immunity until AFTER you have the disease. Therefore, that type of immunity DOES NOT EXIST versus your FIRST Covid infection. It would only help against your SECOND and subsequent exposures.
The efficacy of the Pfizer vaccine versus the delta strain was noted as 88% during two studies in the UK versus the data coming from Israel for reasons I’ve already explained. But, it seems like antibody levels begin to wane around 6-8 months after the two shot schedule which is the basis for the proposed boosters.
But, let’s assume the 39% efficacy rate of the Pfizer vaccine at preventing your first Covid infection is completely accurate. What is the efficacy of “natural” acquired immunity after having Covid for the first time at preventing your first case of Covid? ZERO! Because you don’t get that type of immunity until after you get Covid AND SOMETHING THAT DOESN”T YET EXIST CANNOT PREVENT DISEASE BECAUSE IT DOESN”T YET EXIST!
And 39% is ALWAYS greater than 0% when the reason you have a 0% efficacy rating is because it’s based upon something that doesn’t yet exist.
So when you compare the type of “natural” acquired immunity to a second case of Covid due to the delta strain compared to the type of acquired immunity you get from Covid and a vaccine to prevent a second case of Covid due to the delta strain YOU’RE OWN SOURCE INDICATES HAVING PREVIOUSLY HAD COVID AND THEN GETTING VACCINATED IS SUPERIOR TO JUST HAVING HAD COVID PREVIOUSLY!
This means the data you posted completely contradicts your statements.
Edit: name one infectious disease which has gotten worse due to vaccinations because I’m unaware of any and would honestly like to know if there are?
