The Unvaxinated = the Taliban

[Dill]

(08-30-2021, 07:37 PM)Sociopathicsteelerfan Wrote: Dill Wrote:[url=http://thebengalsboard.com/Thread-The-Unvaxinated-the-Taliban?pid=1053344#pid1053344][/url]Well you actually do heap personal abuse on people in violation of the CoC. And WAY more than anyone else here. So it’s a bit much to demand people stop flagging you for it, as opposed to actually exerting some self disclpine and stopping said behavior yourself.

Eh, not really, probably not even close.  Certain people constantly hurl accusations of racism at others.  In fact I was personally attacked in such a vile way that the person in question was banned for a considerable amount of time.  Of course, Dill didn't see any of that.

No, I didn't see "any of that." And you aren't going to say who "constantly hurl accusations of racism at others." I only have examples of you doing that to Dino and myself (e.g. the "MAGA" and "Tucker Carlson Omar" threads).  There is no one you can name who exceeds your practice of verbal abuse. Further examples will appear in the rest of this post.

(08-30-2021, 01:33 AM)Sociopathicsteelerfan Wrote:

Quote: Wrote:And Pat does have something to support the “straw man” accusation:

1. Your claim that I have defended comparing people to “human scum” or anything similar to your meme example. I’ve never done that.

Ahahahaha, this is true only in so far as you refuse to refer to members of Isis the Taliban or the Nazis as "human scum".  Other than that, you frequently compare people to those groups, you just did it in the Afghanistan thread, which is what reignited this entire discussion.

"Only in so far"--that is the point. I don't compare anyone to "human scum."  Sure I made a comparison of Taliban to Americans, but not of "scum" to Americans. I ask you to identify the actual terms of my comparison and you refused. Rather, you replaced my terms with your own. You've been doing that ever since. You did the same with Bpat. Straw man once, Straw man twice. 

I say calling people "human scum" has "no legitimate purpose." You say it does. That's where we disagree. 

Where I see myself as comparing one set of HUMAN BEINGS who may share similar existential anxieties regarding cultural changes which challenge traditional authority with another set of HUMAN BEINGS experiencing the same, leading both towards fundamentalist religion and a Manichean worldview--you twist that into a comparison of HUMAN BEINGS with HUMAN SCUM. 

You would censor ANY such cross cultural comparison because you cannot tell the difference between a tweet and social science. In fact you are insisting there is no difference. You evidently think it serves some "legitimate purpose" to regularly call people "faux-intellectuals" and "liars" and "hypocrites" who make "racist statements" etc., but identifying analogies between right wing politics and the US and right wing politics in authoritarian regimes the world over serves "no legitimate purpose"--and at a time when millions of Americans are having a great deal of difficulty recognizing authoritarian politics. 

That is evidently a topic you want to keep OFF the board. 
 

(08-30-2021, 07:37 PM)Sociopathicsteelerfan Wrote: Quote:2 your imputation that Pat ageed I engage in “scum” comparison. He did not. He understands the difference between a twitter meme and reasoned scholarly comparison, as do the majority of posters here.

I didn't say that, nor did I infer it, so stop making things up.  I said Bmore expressed his distaste for comparing people to the Taliban, something you just did in the aforementioned thread last week.  Bmore stated;
What a tool. This both undercuts the atrocities of the Taliban and undermines efforts to stop the spread of Covid.
You'll please note that I frequently make this argument about the dangers of such comparisons.

Did I "make up" this quote below from post #7 of this thread, addressed to Bpat?

(08-30-2021, 01:33 AM)Sociopathicsteelerfan Wrote: Is Dill a bad liberal?  I raised a behavior I find abhorrent.  You are certainly correct that Dill has defended said behavior, on numerous occasions.  That, however, was not the purpose of the thread.  The purpose was to highlight this behavior and point out how wrong, divisive and destructive, it is.  As I said, if you plant a flag be prepared to defend it.  

My positions and Bpat's both reduced to straw men in one statement. A twofer. Actually, I have never defended superficial comparisons like your example. You can only get there by reducing a subfield of social science to tweet level. And Bpat did not say that I had defended "said behavior." You put words into his mouth.

You arrive at that conclusion only by asserting that all comparisons between authoritarian groups and right wing Americans are inherently vicious, regardless of intent, method and applicability. 

Why don't you say that directly--"Social scientific study of authoritarian tendencies in US politics should be off limits."
Or perhaps "It should be done in a way that does not actually identify any authoritarian tendencies which could be linked with past authoritarian regimes."  

As for an example of divisive and inflammatory comparison, you have equated ANTIFA with the Klan, and me with ANTIFA, haven't you? You've claimed both the Klan and "far left" use the same rules to decide who is and who is not black ("It's Kamala" #223). 

Lastly, your efforts to block scholarly comparison of authoritarian regimes in the study of American politics doesn't fit well with your claimed preference for "looser" moderation.  Looser moderation requires that posters take on more personal responsibility for bad behavior--very difficult when some cannot agree their behavior is actually bad.