08-31-2021, 03:34 PM
(08-31-2021, 11:17 AM)MTBengalsFan Wrote: I've watched that entire 23-minute interview, and he says nothing at all like that. Hell, you can find the transcript and search for the word "percent" and see no such claim is made. I have no idea where you got this talking point, but it's false. As someone who is both immunocompromised and a scientist, I consume as much of the science on COVID-19 as I can. False talking points hurt the conversation.
He is basing it on the government data collected from a country who has a large vaccinated population with the Pfizer vaccine, and the raw data collected from the hospitals show those percentages which lead to Pfizer making booster shot. If you really consume as much science as you can, you would know this. My degree is in science as well, and I'm not a young lad anymore.
I am also the MPOA and caretaker of my 98 year old grandpa who was infected by a home healthcare worker who was wearing brand new clean gloves and not one, but 2 masks, an n95 mask and a cloth mask under it. The day after she was here, the health department called me and said we were exposed and to keep him in quarantine 10 days and if he develops symptoms to call his doctor. Well he did and I called. Got him tested, he had covid. His flu like symptoms were not extreme but the weakness and fatigue were pretty bad. When his fever reached 103.2 I called the doctor back and they sent and ambulance to pick him up. He was in the hospital for a week and then transferred to a rehab facility for 30 days. I never got tested but during that time I felt like I had a stomach bug for 2-3 days and was really tired. I stayed away from everyone 14 days total, and still social distanced a lot after that. Despite the fact that I am aware that natural immunity is a real legit part of science and has been happening since the beginning of time (or else we wouldnt even exist now), I still elected to get him vaccinated even though his own doctor would not and could not say if it was the right thing to do. I took the chance and he did OK with the vaccine, sort of. A little sick after the second dose. Since then however, he is basically gone in his mind and he is on blood thinners for the first time in his life. He can no longer walk, which he could before he was vaccinated, and he is now in hospice in a total state of dementia while his kidneys are shutting down. He is not expected to live much longer.
I talked to his 2 doctors at length, his family clinic doc, and his VA doc (he's a WW2 hero and retired fireman btw), and both of them said clear and concise "we dont know yet if natural antibodies will be better than the vaccines, there is not enough data yet". So I asked my GP, and he said the exact same thing. "We dont know yet, but history is on our side with natural immunity". Those were my very experienced doctor's exact words. I asked him "should I get the vaccine even though I probably already had covid?" He said, its up to me, but if I had covid, I have antibodies which no doubt offer at least some protection, maybe better protection, but they just dont know the real answers yet. H said its a personal decision.
Since my grandpa has been in hospice, everyone in the facility, staff and patients have all been 100% vaccinated, yet every week since then they call me and have at least 1 breakthrough case, causing hard times on any kind of visitation. In fact they called me again this morning with another breakthrough case from someone who has been vaccinated -the 3rd in the last 5 days. In their nursing home, they have only had a few deaths caused by covid according to his nurse. Most of the patients have recovered, even before the vaccines. This is real life, not the news, not Fauci, and not an internet covid hero.
So there is no way any one can say one way or the other at this point in time. In fact the more time that passes, it seems like the more crap we were led to believe a year ago is proven wrong. Keeping an open mind is what scientist are trained to do, but it seems lost on a lot of the scientific community over this. But when politics and money gets involved, all bets are off. Keep and open mind or you are not a good scientist at all in any field of science.
I stand my ground that the best way to prevent spread is "social distancing". Masks dont work well enough imo, even the n95 masks arent 100% totally bombproof effective, but anything less than an n95 mask is almost a complete waste of time from what I've seen. Everyone I know who did have covid wore a cloth mask all the time everywhere they went. Used sanitizer, washed hands, etc. Didnt stop it regardless.
And for the record, the older more ex-hippy liberals that I know are more anti-vax than any Trump supporter I know and its not even close. Just an observation. The younger liberal friends of mine are more open to the vaccines, and some of them think if people dont get it they are murderers, which is utterly insane.
