How to separate "talent" from "coaching"

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(09-08-2021, 12:36 AM)Shake n Blake Wrote: Good point bringing up Marv. He wasn't even a "great" coach just competent/good/solid (or whatever word you want to use), and he definitely had an instant impact himself.

I'm not one for excuses, myself. Great coaches adapt. Zac is clearly not great, and I'm not even sure he's "just a guy". Year 3 should cement his rep. It doesn't take half a decade to rebuild or get your footing as a coach in the NFL. Not many examples of guys being terrible for 3 years, then going on to great success. Are there any examples at all?

hes what the wrestling world calls a Jobber.