10-01-2021, 02:38 PM
(09-29-2021, 02:37 PM)hollodero Wrote: I will have to disagree on that. Regarding that one of the two major parties claims voter fraud in advance, therefore promoting a narrative that the democratic institutions are grossly undermined by enemies and can not be trusted any longer - and in addition, also the courts and of course all democrats in general. And the sentiment is taken over quite broadly, in the conservative electorate and amongst the GOP, who also adapted the stance that a Capitol storm is not a big deal and to a large part even justified.
This alone cries out crisis to me. Not to mention everything Trump stands for, including establishing a system based on personal loyalty rather than rules and laws. Trump argued in court that a president should be allowed to do anything without repercussion, including actually shooting someone. He avoided conviction from Mueller to a large part based on a policy that a president shall not be indicted, and conviction in the second impeachment just through party loyalty over factual evidence. And these approaches fly with a critical mass of people that in the end are basically bound to reach the conclusion that democracy is infiltrated by evil liberals and other bad people and that court decisions or election results no longer have meaning.
I don't disagree with many of your positions here. Where I see a danger that I believe you do not is in the speculation of the actions detailed in OP being presented as if they are a fait accompli. If so, then is not any action appropriate to deal with such a danger? The danger here is convicting people of future crime and thus taking "appropriate" steps now. In much the same way that we both had issues with Miley acting preemptively, that is my issue here.
Quote:I'd find way more stuff, but I will just mention one more thing, the GOP actilvely goes after/censures people now that do not go along with the "stop the steal" narrative, eg for the eternal sin of reporting the election results as counted or for claiming that incitiong a Capitol riot is bad. This alone is a move that cries out looming crisis to me. Especially since none of these things seem to disgust their electorate much.
If you're referring to Cheney, they was a lot of resistance to any form of punishment for her initially. It was only after she continued to raise the subject publicly, even when it was not the topic at hand, that eventually resulted in her censure.
