Our constitutional crisis is already here

[hollodero]

(10-01-2021, 02:38 PM)Sociopathicsteelerfan Wrote: I don't disagree with many of your positions here.

In that case I wonder how you could still see warnings like this merely as liberal disaster porn.

(10-01-2021, 02:38 PM)Sociopathicsteelerfan Wrote: Where I see a danger that I believe you do not is in the speculation of the actions detailed in OP being presented as if they are a fait accompli.  If so, then is not any action appropriate to deal with such a danger?  The danger here is convicting people of future crime and thus taking "appropriate" steps now.  In much the same way that we both had issues with Miley acting preemptively, that is my issue here.  

It is a fair point. I think the motivation is not to call for preemptive actions that might just be as questionable as the deeds feared though. To assume that motivation and refusing the points based on that is logical fallacy to me, for in the end that would mean all warnings can be tainted in this or similar ways and hence in the end no warnings should be recognized in the first place.
I read it as a warning that, as argued, I consider very well rooted in reality. I fear your "counterpoint" could be used to silence such warnings or at least diminish them in their importance, for starters by associating anti-Trumpism sentiments like that one with own agendas, liberal positions or positions taken on behalf of the Democratic party, which is an unfortunate trend really.

(10-01-2021, 02:38 PM)Sociopathicsteelerfan Wrote: If you're referring to Cheney, they was a lot of resistance to any form of punishment for her initially.  It was only after she continued to raise the subject publicly, even when it was not the topic at hand, that eventually resulted in her censure.

Cheney sure is one piece of the mosaic, but by far not the sole one or even the most important one to me. That, imho, would be the treatment Kemp and Raffensperger get from their own party, for committing the eternal sin of certifying the election results. This I find mighty scary, that pretty much a whole party scolds their own people (or at least does not defend them) for doing their duty and not following Donald Trump's wishes of dismissing results of a fair and clean election.
Imho, the republican party as a whole, in its listening to the hard core Trump supporters that follow him on every undemocratic and unconstitional thought and action, is not within the realms of the constitution any longer. That's how I see the crisis.

If the term constitutional crisis is appropriate, I dare not say. For I have a very different take on this paper then most have in the first place, I consider the US constitution largely responsible for this Trumpian mess and hence for the crisis to begin with.


(PS sorry for the late response, at times I find it difficult to shout into an ongoing feud)