Three years ago.

[Shake n Blake]

(11-12-2021, 04:15 PM)fredtoast Wrote: I'll match my 11 against your 11.

Jonah Williams, Geno Atkins, Tyler Boyd, Joe Mixon, Carl Lawson, William Jackson, Carlos Dunlap, Jesse Bates, Sam Hubbard, Gio Bernard, CJ Uzomah

We can debate which group is better, but it is obvious that there was no "long shot" type difference.  If the 2003 Bengals had a deep talented roster then why did they only win 2 games the year before?  Hmmm, maybe COACHING?

Why did they win more?

1. Marv was a better coach than DlCK LeBeau...who was awful.
2. The talent wasn't as ready in 2002.

Now to compare the talent.

Carson Palmer >> Anyone on Zac's list
Chad Johnson >> Anyone on Zac's list
Willie Anderson >> Anyone on Zac's list
TJ Houshmandzadeh > Anyone on Zac's list
Rudi Johnson > anyone on the list other than maybe Mixon. Maybe.

The guys you use to beef up your list (like Geno and Dunlap) were either washed or mentally checked out. Bates isn't looking like the star we thought he was, either.

You seem to think this is about me saying Zac is better than Marv. I'm not. I'm saying Marv's situation was better, and Zac's terrible situation is at least partly to blame for why we were so terrible the last 2 years. I'm not offering my approval of Zac so much as saying it was more than just a bad coaching job that led to 6-25-1.