12-16-2021, 07:29 AM
(12-15-2021, 12:36 AM)TheLeonardLeap Wrote: That's an awfully large post for a point that is trying to be made poorly. Cool, Ben has better stats than guys who played decades ago. You know who else does? Everyone. Even if you didn't include anyone who started playing before the 80s there's still huge incomparable differences.
When Dan Marino played, the highest average Comp% in a year for the NFL was only 58.2%.
While Ben Roethlisberger played, the highest average Comp% in a year for the NFL was 65.2%.
In '83 when Marino came into the league, the team with the most passing TDs had 33. In '04 when Ben came into the league, the team with the most passing TDs had 51. Last year there were more teams with 40+ passing TDs than there were with 30+ in '83.
In '83 the average QB Rating was 75.9, in '99 for Marino's last year it was 77.1.... By '04 the average QB Rating was 82.8, and by last year it rose to 93.6
You can go straight down the list for all those stats you mentioned. You could compare Kirk Cousins and Matthew Stafford to old Hall of Famers and it would look silly statistically, because the times have changed.
Andy Dalton has a higher Comp% than Jim Kelly, only 14 less TDs, only 700 less yards, and a higher QB Rating. By the end of his career he'll have more TDs and more yards. Doesn't mean Andy Dalton should ever be sniffing the HoF. It just means passing became way easier.
All of your post doesn't change the fact that Ben wasn't even a Top-5 QB of his own time (Brady, Manning, Rodgers, Brees, Rivers) with 0 All-Pros and 0 MVPs and doesn't deserve to be a HoFer, but will get in anyway because of a lowered barrier for entry for Steelers, doubly so if he goes into the media as there's an even further lowered barrier for entry for media members.
You’re cherry picking again. I already acknowledged the era differences, but you chose to emphasize the oldest (Marino) and the statistically worst (Kelly) of the HoFers I referenced. I notice you stayed away from Kurt Warner, whose career intersected Ben’s for five years, and whose stats are very similar.
You also ignored that Ben is in the top fifteen all time in just about every category mentioned here.
Look, I’ll make it simple this time: Ben isn’t even close to being an all time great like Brady or Manning, but neither are most HoF QBs. He’d definitely be near the bottom of the group if he got in. But if guys like Aikman, Kelly, and Warner belong, so does Ben.
