Joey B vs Andy vibe

[Roland]

(12-29-2021, 07:54 PM)Shake n Blake Wrote: "Gruden couldn't unveil his playbook to the entire offensive until the first day of training camp at Georgetown College, the day after Chad Ocho Cinco, the Bengals' all-time leading receiver, got dealt to the Patriots."

https://www.bengals.com/news/can-the-2020-burrow-bengals-replicate-the-2011-lockout-lads

So let's recap:
1. New offense
2. The players (including Andy) didn't have playbooks (except during a couple of brief workout periods)
3. Most offseason activities were cancelled

You're quoting sources that only confirm my position.   Dalton had access to a playbook via Jordan Palmer.  It wasn't unveiled to the entire offensive unit until training camp.   The article also affirms that Dalton had the benefit of Zimmer's defense, a vastly better offensive line, and a lot of veteran leaders like Whitworth, Peko, Williams, and Crocker.

Quote:What are we even arguing here? Do you really think the 2011 lockout wasn't a major hindrance for rookies? ESPN thought so. Bengals.com thought so. But not Roland, eh? Btw, being able to peek at someone else's playbook doesn't = Andy had one himself. Which was my point. Unless you think he (and everyone else) was able to digest an entire playbook during a couple of workout sessions.

Nope, what I said was absolutely correct and that included the fact that Dalton had an impressive start for a rookie.  But as I said, he had the benefit of a full preseason and a veteran team that was already in position to win.  You're arguing that OTAs are more important than a full preseason, an offensive line that can keep their QB upright for more than 2 seconds, and a defense that can keep games within reach for "a timing and rhythm quarterback."  

Even the story you cite says it: Andy Dalton was no Carson Palmer.  Joe Burrow is all that and a bag of chips.